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	<title>Comments on: What Are Your Ad Images Saying to Women?</title>
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		<title>By: jamel duane</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/08/31/banner-ad-gender-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-1181269</link>
		<dc:creator>jamel duane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 03:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ad opp. would love too have you on babs-place.com [ barber and beauty salon place.com]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ad opp. would love too have you on babs-place.com [ barber and beauty salon place.com]</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Lindstrom</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/08/31/banner-ad-gender-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-1134278</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Lindstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a site has lots of banners it makes the site look cheap and ugly and it makes me think that the person is just there to make money instead of sharing information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a site has lots of banners it makes the site look cheap and ugly and it makes me think that the person is just there to make money instead of sharing information.</p>
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		<title>By: kathrine</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/08/31/banner-ad-gender-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-1106870</link>
		<dc:creator>kathrine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went on this site today because I teach a preschool classroom.  One of my girls was dancing like a ballerina and a boy tried to jump in. Her response was &quot;you can&#039;t dance you are a boy&quot; so I came on this site to show her men dance too.  The only thing is I cant find any pictures to prove this to her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went on this site today because I teach a preschool classroom.  One of my girls was dancing like a ballerina and a boy tried to jump in. Her response was &#8220;you can&#8217;t dance you are a boy&#8221; so I came on this site to show her men dance too.  The only thing is I cant find any pictures to prove this to her.</p>
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		<title>By: tweetster</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/08/31/banner-ad-gender-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-877025</link>
		<dc:creator>tweetster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re over-reacting to a harmless banner.  it&#039;s just icons, what would you rather see faceless, colorless, hairless circles?
Why don&#039;t we just X out any ads with ppl all together, and just put text out there... that would be sooo interesting to overlook and walk on by</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re over-reacting to a harmless banner.  it&#8217;s just icons, what would you rather see faceless, colorless, hairless circles?<br />
Why don&#8217;t we just X out any ads with ppl all together, and just put text out there&#8230; that would be sooo interesting to overlook and walk on by</p>
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		<title>By: Calen</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/08/31/banner-ad-gender-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-583594</link>
		<dc:creator>Calen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh come on, don&#039;t be such a baby about it. If one of the jobs was &quot;Ballerina&quot; should there be pictures of both men &amp; women beside it? Surely there are male ballerinas somewhere in the world, I just don&#039;t get the big deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh come on, don&#8217;t be such a baby about it. If one of the jobs was &#8220;Ballerina&#8221; should there be pictures of both men &amp; women beside it? Surely there are male ballerinas somewhere in the world, I just don&#8217;t get the big deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Driscoll &#187; Advertising to Women: how to alienate, and how to include</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/08/31/banner-ad-gender-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-177949</link>
		<dc:creator>Alison Driscoll &#187; Advertising to Women: how to alienate, and how to include</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] recently read this article about gender biased advertising, and it definitely got me thinking about some of the overtly [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] recently read this article about gender biased advertising, and it definitely got me thinking about some of the overtly [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Taryn</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/08/31/banner-ad-gender-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-173879</link>
		<dc:creator>Taryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 15:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t even notice the ad until I realized that was what the story was about. We&#039;ve become so desensitized that ads, especially badly designed, cheap-looking ads like this, are ignored. The gender bias is practically irrelevant if nobody looks at it in the first place. And jeez, clip art? What were they thinking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t even notice the ad until I realized that was what the story was about. We&#8217;ve become so desensitized that ads, especially badly designed, cheap-looking ads like this, are ignored. The gender bias is practically irrelevant if nobody looks at it in the first place. And jeez, clip art? What were they thinking?</p>
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		<title>By: Lena West</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/08/31/banner-ad-gender-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-173020</link>
		<dc:creator>Lena West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 01:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Web visitors are smart. They may not know exactly what&#039;s wrong with a Website or a company in terms of the wrong fonts, the wrong images, the wrong colors, or the wrong message — but they will sense that something is not quite right and go elsewhere.&quot;

Stellar point, Martha! Excellent!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Web visitors are smart. They may not know exactly what&#8217;s wrong with a Website or a company in terms of the wrong fonts, the wrong images, the wrong colors, or the wrong message — but they will sense that something is not quite right and go elsewhere.&#8221;</p>
<p>Stellar point, Martha! Excellent!</p>
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		<title>By: Martha Roden</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/08/31/banner-ad-gender-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-172905</link>
		<dc:creator>Martha Roden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 00:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holly,

I agree with you. Using human images for icons on the Degrees.info Website was a big mistake. The icons convey gender stereotypes about various professions. Who says all psychologists are men or all educators are women?

Some stereotypes are so engrained in our society that people are no longer aware of them. Little by little, we’ve been bombarded by media images and stories indicating which professions are appropriate for which genders, and over time people have begun to believe those stereotypes without question.

But many of us are only too conscious of those stereotypes, and we question them and want nothing to do with companies who promote them. I think companies need to be more aware of the subtle messages they&#039;re sending their audiences. Females who visit the Degrees.info Website may not consciously think, &quot;Well, I guess I can&#039;t get a Graphics Design degree because the icon for the degree has a man on it.&quot; However, they may get an uneasy sense that things are not exactly kosher with the company and decide to leave the site.

As a usability professional, I always tell people, &quot;Web visitors are smart. They may not know exactly what&#039;s wrong with a Website or a company in terms of the wrong fonts, the wrong images, the wrong colors, or the wrong message -- but they will sense that something is not quite right and go elsewhere.&quot;

Companies need to learn to be more careful of those &quot;unconscious&quot; messages they&#039;re sending out with their content and their images!

Sincerely,

Martha Roden</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holly,</p>
<p>I agree with you. Using human images for icons on the Degrees.info Website was a big mistake. The icons convey gender stereotypes about various professions. Who says all psychologists are men or all educators are women?</p>
<p>Some stereotypes are so engrained in our society that people are no longer aware of them. Little by little, we’ve been bombarded by media images and stories indicating which professions are appropriate for which genders, and over time people have begun to believe those stereotypes without question.</p>
<p>But many of us are only too conscious of those stereotypes, and we question them and want nothing to do with companies who promote them. I think companies need to be more aware of the subtle messages they&#8217;re sending their audiences. Females who visit the Degrees.info Website may not consciously think, &#8220;Well, I guess I can&#8217;t get a Graphics Design degree because the icon for the degree has a man on it.&#8221; However, they may get an uneasy sense that things are not exactly kosher with the company and decide to leave the site.</p>
<p>As a usability professional, I always tell people, &#8220;Web visitors are smart. They may not know exactly what&#8217;s wrong with a Website or a company in terms of the wrong fonts, the wrong images, the wrong colors, or the wrong message &#8212; but they will sense that something is not quite right and go elsewhere.&#8221;</p>
<p>Companies need to learn to be more careful of those &#8220;unconscious&#8221; messages they&#8217;re sending out with their content and their images!</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Martha Roden</p>
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		<title>By: Lena West</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/08/31/banner-ad-gender-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-172468</link>
		<dc:creator>Lena West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holly:

I don&#039;t think you&#039;re reading too much into it at all.  It&#039;s funny how these things are so subliminal and only if you&#039;re really paying attention do you see them.

I think as women we&#039;re socialized to pick the &quot;soft&quot; jobs and almost everything that surrounds training and education supports this. 

The best thing is to be aware and alert. And, also to use your voice, as you have done here, to point out:

&quot;Hey, even if you didn&#039;t mean for this to appear this way, this is how this looks to me.&quot;

Women are always being told we&#039;re too sensitive or that we read too much into matters. I like to think of it as an on-board B.S. meter and we should use it as often as we can.

That doesn&#039;t excuse the fact that this company clearly didn&#039;t have anyone with at least one marketing brain cell review this ad before they launched it. 

On second thought, maybe they did...

Thanks for honoring yourself (and us) by speaking up.

-Lena</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holly:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re reading too much into it at all.  It&#8217;s funny how these things are so subliminal and only if you&#8217;re really paying attention do you see them.</p>
<p>I think as women we&#8217;re socialized to pick the &#8220;soft&#8221; jobs and almost everything that surrounds training and education supports this. </p>
<p>The best thing is to be aware and alert. And, also to use your voice, as you have done here, to point out:</p>
<p>&#8220;Hey, even if you didn&#8217;t mean for this to appear this way, this is how this looks to me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Women are always being told we&#8217;re too sensitive or that we read too much into matters. I like to think of it as an on-board B.S. meter and we should use it as often as we can.</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t excuse the fact that this company clearly didn&#8217;t have anyone with at least one marketing brain cell review this ad before they launched it. </p>
<p>On second thought, maybe they did&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for honoring yourself (and us) by speaking up.</p>
<p>-Lena</p>
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		<title>By: daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/08/31/banner-ad-gender-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-172292</link>
		<dc:creator>daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 15:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>perhaps Anton is using a banner blocker?

Holly- perhaps they only generated single-sex personae for each category!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>perhaps Anton is using a banner blocker?</p>
<p>Holly- perhaps they only generated single-sex personae for each category!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Eisenberg</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/08/31/banner-ad-gender-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-172148</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Eisenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anton, I can still see it after the fourth line in this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anton, I can still see it after the fourth line in this post.</p>
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		<title>By: Anton D'abo</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/08/31/banner-ad-gender-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-171835</link>
		<dc:creator>Anton D'abo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 08:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ermmm... what banner ad? Has the link been taken down?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ermmm&#8230; what banner ad? Has the link been taken down?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Carter</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/08/31/banner-ad-gender-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-168544</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 23:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hilarious, good point Holly- and those people icons look like they&#039;re out of the early 80&#039;s or something... combine that with the hideous red and black diagonal border, plus the dismal click through rates of banners in general, and you&#039;ve got the perfect formula for failure!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hilarious, good point Holly- and those people icons look like they&#8217;re out of the early 80&#8217;s or something&#8230; combine that with the hideous red and black diagonal border, plus the dismal click through rates of banners in general, and you&#8217;ve got the perfect formula for failure!</p>
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