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		<title>By: Les 5 grands principes d&#8217;une bonne fiche produit.</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/10/15/copywriting-tips-accentuate-the-negative/comment-page-1/#comment-1198779</link>
		<dc:creator>Les 5 grands principes d&#8217;une bonne fiche produit.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] mais expliquez en quoi c&#8217;est malgré tout un super produit. Grokdotcom a posté à ce sujet un super article qui peut être appliqué à des situations ou les produits ont des particularités négatives. ( Je [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] mais expliquez en quoi c&#8217;est malgré tout un super produit. Grokdotcom a posté à ce sujet un super article qui peut être appliqué à des situations ou les produits ont des particularités négatives. ( Je [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tom - Home Business</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/10/15/copywriting-tips-accentuate-the-negative/comment-page-1/#comment-1136374</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom - Home Business</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are looking to make money online, you must focus on content that solves a problem and this is where the ability to write persuasive is needed.Not everyone have the copywriting skills needed, but you can learn quite easily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are looking to make money online, you must focus on content that solves a problem and this is where the ability to write persuasive is needed.Not everyone have the copywriting skills needed, but you can learn quite easily.</p>
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		<title>By: Branding Through Reverse Camouflage &#124; FutureNow's GrokDotCom / Marketing Optimization Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/10/15/copywriting-tips-accentuate-the-negative/comment-page-1/#comment-1117984</link>
		<dc:creator>Branding Through Reverse Camouflage &#124; FutureNow's GrokDotCom / Marketing Optimization Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Explain what costs you’re willing to bare and admit the downside to your offer/product. This one is more about credibility than definition, but amidst a background of ad-speak [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Geld Lenen</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/10/15/copywriting-tips-accentuate-the-negative/comment-page-1/#comment-1018445</link>
		<dc:creator>Geld Lenen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 07:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of truth is written here. It helpd to selle more by being honest. It makes you more credible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of truth is written here. It helpd to selle more by being honest. It makes you more credible.</p>
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		<title>By: Online Copywriting 101: The Ultimate Cheat Sheet &#8212; Part 2</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/10/15/copywriting-tips-accentuate-the-negative/comment-page-1/#comment-317409</link>
		<dc:creator>Online Copywriting 101: The Ultimate Cheat Sheet &#8212; Part 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Do Not Read This Blog Post&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/10/15/copywriting-tips-accentuate-the-negative/comment-page-1/#comment-271135</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;Do Not Read This Blog Post&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] took an superb online writing class from Jeff Sexton, the author of the Accentuate the Negative post. He gave great examples of how showing the downside of a product or service could gain more [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff Sexton</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/10/15/copywriting-tips-accentuate-the-negative/comment-page-1/#comment-269580</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Sexton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin,

God bless Johnny Mercer.  However, like most copywriters, Mercer never enjoyed the same fame as his creations.  So he just wouldn&#039;t have worked that well as a cultural allusion/reference.  Know what I mean?  

But I&#039;m glad your comment has given the man his due.  Thanks for setting me straight.

-Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin,</p>
<p>God bless Johnny Mercer.  However, like most copywriters, Mercer never enjoyed the same fame as his creations.  So he just wouldn&#8217;t have worked that well as a cultural allusion/reference.  Know what I mean?  </p>
<p>But I&#8217;m glad your comment has given the man his due.  Thanks for setting me straight.</p>
<p>-Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: robin seidner</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/10/15/copywriting-tips-accentuate-the-negative/comment-page-1/#comment-269571</link>
		<dc:creator>robin seidner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great points, however if we are talking copy, credit the writer. Bing Crosby only sang the song, Johnny Mercer is the master songwriter of Accentuate the Positive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points, however if we are talking copy, credit the writer. Bing Crosby only sang the song, Johnny Mercer is the master songwriter of Accentuate the Positive.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Sexton</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/10/15/copywriting-tips-accentuate-the-negative/comment-page-1/#comment-269419</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Sexton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean,

Thanks for offering up additional context and food for thought.  In general, I totally agree, both about the timing and the Coors campaign.  Although, I&#039;d say that, when done right, the downside can be brought up to begin with when it is used to qualify the prospect.  Eugene Schwartz talks about this at the end of his book, &lt;i&gt;Breakthrough Advertising,&lt;/i&gt; and Roy Williams mentions this also when he advises ad writers to &quot;choose whom to lose&quot;

An example of such a move was actually provided by Roy in   spectacular Monday Morning Memo on Targeting Through Ad Copy.   Here’s the opening line of his faux ad:

&quot;If the lowest price is all you&#039;re after, this isn&#039;t the camera for you.&quot; 

- Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean,</p>
<p>Thanks for offering up additional context and food for thought.  In general, I totally agree, both about the timing and the Coors campaign.  Although, I&#8217;d say that, when done right, the downside can be brought up to begin with when it is used to qualify the prospect.  Eugene Schwartz talks about this at the end of his book, <i>Breakthrough Advertising,</i> and Roy Williams mentions this also when he advises ad writers to &#8220;choose whom to lose&#8221;</p>
<p>An example of such a move was actually provided by Roy in   spectacular Monday Morning Memo on Targeting Through Ad Copy.   Here’s the opening line of his faux ad:</p>
<p>&#8220;If the lowest price is all you&#8217;re after, this isn&#8217;t the camera for you.&#8221; </p>
<p>- Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Sean D'Souza</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/10/15/copywriting-tips-accentuate-the-negative/comment-page-1/#comment-269392</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D'Souza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes indeed the downside is what&#039;s important. In fact, it doesn&#039;t just need to be in your message, it&#039;s critical to the message. Which means that the downside must be brought up.

But not just at any point.

It follows a sequence, as we outline in the Brain Audit. And that sequence is important to follow. Bring up the downside too early, and you&#039;ve scared off the customer. Bring it up too late, and you&#039;ve got the client all cynical. 

The downside is of course, the objection. And the objection means that the client goes through a process. The process is simply: 
1) Is this for me? Am I the target?
2) Is it solving a problem for me?
3) Does it have a relevant solution (for me?)

And then only once this analysis is done (often in a matter of seconds), does the client start looking for the downside or something to object about.

Understanding this factor of timing is vital. And while Coors is a good example of &#039;advertising gone right without realising it&#039;, it shows that the concept wasn&#039;t part of the strategy after all. 

If it were, they&#039;d never put out an add without Coors being chilled at all times. In fact, just like Volvo and safety, Coors and chilled would go together.

The downside is important.
But knowing that it&#039;s part of the strategy is just as important.
And knowing the exact time when to insert in in your message is absolutely critical, or you&#039;ll have egg in your face, and pesos in the bank.

Sean
http://www.psychotactics.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes indeed the downside is what&#8217;s important. In fact, it doesn&#8217;t just need to be in your message, it&#8217;s critical to the message. Which means that the downside must be brought up.</p>
<p>But not just at any point.</p>
<p>It follows a sequence, as we outline in the Brain Audit. And that sequence is important to follow. Bring up the downside too early, and you&#8217;ve scared off the customer. Bring it up too late, and you&#8217;ve got the client all cynical. </p>
<p>The downside is of course, the objection. And the objection means that the client goes through a process. The process is simply:<br />
1) Is this for me? Am I the target?<br />
2) Is it solving a problem for me?<br />
3) Does it have a relevant solution (for me?)</p>
<p>And then only once this analysis is done (often in a matter of seconds), does the client start looking for the downside or something to object about.</p>
<p>Understanding this factor of timing is vital. And while Coors is a good example of &#8216;advertising gone right without realising it&#8217;, it shows that the concept wasn&#8217;t part of the strategy after all. </p>
<p>If it were, they&#8217;d never put out an add without Coors being chilled at all times. In fact, just like Volvo and safety, Coors and chilled would go together.</p>
<p>The downside is important.<br />
But knowing that it&#8217;s part of the strategy is just as important.<br />
And knowing the exact time when to insert in in your message is absolutely critical, or you&#8217;ll have egg in your face, and pesos in the bank.</p>
<p>Sean<br />
<a href="http://www.psychotactics.com">http://www.psychotactics.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Arun Agrawal</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/10/15/copywriting-tips-accentuate-the-negative/comment-page-1/#comment-269227</link>
		<dc:creator>Arun Agrawal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot on. There are downsides that are downsides (and you have got to rectify them) and there are downsides that can be leveraged to highlight/justify the upside.

We do not compromise on prices for our services and leverage this to highlight that we have a similar no-compromise policy for our service quality too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on. There are downsides that are downsides (and you have got to rectify them) and there are downsides that can be leveraged to highlight/justify the upside.</p>
<p>We do not compromise on prices for our services and leverage this to highlight that we have a similar no-compromise policy for our service quality too.</p>
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		<title>By: Noah David Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/10/15/copywriting-tips-accentuate-the-negative/comment-page-1/#comment-264437</link>
		<dc:creator>Noah David Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 09:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A history of insignificance, has inspired reference, or presents the medium, being whatever it is, as a vehicle for content. Negative data is an instantaneous mirage that defeats all needed positive information. The only safe communication becomes one that either declares something negative, thus feeding into a cycle, or one that states an non-opinionated fact such as the medium itself, thus feeding into another paradox of the medium being the message.  It isn&#039;t that the negative accentuates the positive..., but rather that the positive can only work in insignificant negative references.  There isn&#039;t an absolute of course, but we need a lot of negative right now.  Technology is growing faster then we can handle.  Presently structure needs some honest deconstruction.  Profit is coming to the wires and not the brains.  Marketing is essential because a company like Yedda is doing tremendous innovation... and yet the profit is going to Comcast, facebook and way down the line towards the control mechanisms.  Content  creation is what should be sold... not the gizmos behind it that get you there.  Marketing has always been about selling something people don&#039;t need but want.  99% of our economy is luxury... that is ok, but the profit from the luxury needs to go to the luxury makers.  Not a company that lays down wires.  The negative is that we really don&#039;t need any of this... and yet here I am writing on this blog.  Negative is that there is no marketing of wires because they are a monopoly, where is the positive?  Deconstruct the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A history of insignificance, has inspired reference, or presents the medium, being whatever it is, as a vehicle for content. Negative data is an instantaneous mirage that defeats all needed positive information. The only safe communication becomes one that either declares something negative, thus feeding into a cycle, or one that states an non-opinionated fact such as the medium itself, thus feeding into another paradox of the medium being the message.  It isn&#8217;t that the negative accentuates the positive&#8230;, but rather that the positive can only work in insignificant negative references.  There isn&#8217;t an absolute of course, but we need a lot of negative right now.  Technology is growing faster then we can handle.  Presently structure needs some honest deconstruction.  Profit is coming to the wires and not the brains.  Marketing is essential because a company like Yedda is doing tremendous innovation&#8230; and yet the profit is going to Comcast, facebook and way down the line towards the control mechanisms.  Content  creation is what should be sold&#8230; not the gizmos behind it that get you there.  Marketing has always been about selling something people don&#8217;t need but want.  99% of our economy is luxury&#8230; that is ok, but the profit from the luxury needs to go to the luxury makers.  Not a company that lays down wires.  The negative is that we really don&#8217;t need any of this&#8230; and yet here I am writing on this blog.  Negative is that there is no marketing of wires because they are a monopoly, where is the positive?  Deconstruct the system.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Late Wednesday Night Speed Linking 10/17</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I read a brilliant article on why your sales copy should address the downsides of your offer too: it will make you more [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Showing passion in your product descriptions : The Ecommerce Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/10/15/copywriting-tips-accentuate-the-negative/comment-page-1/#comment-257480</link>
		<dc:creator>Showing passion in your product descriptions : The Ecommerce Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 01:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If the product has some negative point outline them, but explain why it is still a great product. Grokdotcom recently posted a great article that can be applied to situations where products have negative [...]</description>
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		<title>By: (EMP) E-Marketing Performance &#187; : &#187; Team Reading List 10.16.07</title>
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		<dc:creator>(EMP) E-Marketing Performance &#187; : &#187; Team Reading List 10.16.07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Aurelius Tjin</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/10/15/copywriting-tips-accentuate-the-negative/comment-page-1/#comment-256263</link>
		<dc:creator>Aurelius Tjin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 07:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the advice and tips. It sure had some truths in it.

Very good post! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the advice and tips. It sure had some truths in it.</p>
<p>Very good post! <img src='http://www.grokdotcom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Férový copywriting pro e-shop &#187; Archiv Mercadeo Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/10/15/copywriting-tips-accentuate-the-negative/comment-page-1/#comment-255467</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Férový copywriting pro e-shop &#187; Archiv Mercadeo Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] příspěvek Jeffa Sextona o zmiňování negativ v textech pro web mě přivedl k zamyšlení nad kvalitou některých textů [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff Sexton</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/10/15/copywriting-tips-accentuate-the-negative/comment-page-1/#comment-255459</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Sexton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nettie,

Thanks for the comment; I totally agree that more context would be helpful.  Here&#039;s a nice summary of the referenced portion of Cialdini&#039;s book: http://www.internetinfluencemagic.com/general/when_doubling_your_prices_can_double_your_sales/

Though I will say that my initial link was aimed at directing people straight to the source so that they could treat themselves to one of the best books on persuasion to have ever been penned.

Thanks again.

-Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nettie,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment; I totally agree that more context would be helpful.  Here&#8217;s a nice summary of the referenced portion of Cialdini&#8217;s book: <a href="http://www.internetinfluencemagic.com/general/when_doubling_your_prices_can_double_your_sales/">http://www.internetinfluencemagic.com/general/when_doubling_your_prices_can_double_your_sales/</a></p>
<p>Though I will say that my initial link was aimed at directing people straight to the source so that they could treat themselves to one of the best books on persuasion to have ever been penned.</p>
<p>Thanks again.</p>
<p>-Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Nettie Hartsock</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/10/15/copywriting-tips-accentuate-the-negative/comment-page-1/#comment-255443</link>
		<dc:creator>Nettie Hartsock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article, although you might explain Cialdini more than just a hyperlink. I&#039;ve read his book four times and think it excellent but for readers who don&#039;t know him, it might be good to note why he&#039;s important. His web site has good information on it too - http://www.influenceatwork.com/aboutus.html . (And no, I&#039;m not his publicist!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article, although you might explain Cialdini more than just a hyperlink. I&#8217;ve read his book four times and think it excellent but for readers who don&#8217;t know him, it might be good to note why he&#8217;s important. His web site has good information on it too &#8211; <a href="http://www.influenceatwork.com/aboutus.html">http://www.influenceatwork.com/aboutus.html</a> . (And no, I&#8217;m not his publicist!)</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/10/15/copywriting-tips-accentuate-the-negative/comment-page-1/#comment-255427</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great examples! When will the rest of the blogosphere learn that clear, on-point &#039;examples&#039; are what we need?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great examples! When will the rest of the blogosphere learn that clear, on-point &#8216;examples&#8217; are what we need?</p>
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