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		<title>By: Darlene</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/11/09/snowbird-season-pass/comment-page-1/#comment-1073516</link>
		<dc:creator>Darlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s some good information about Velocity Sports club. I&#039;m interested in joining, but how do I get sponsored?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s some good information about Velocity Sports club. I&#8217;m interested in joining, but how do I get sponsored?</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa Burdon</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/11/09/snowbird-season-pass/comment-page-1/#comment-334625</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa Burdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan and Canyon Sports folks,
Sorry if I wrongly accused you of having the Sniagrab sale with the seasons pass discount. It&#039;s been awhile since the radio ad and finding out that I missed the sale, so it&#039;s possible that I mixed up stores. If it makes you feel better, I bought a pair of used powder skis from Canyon Sports a few years back! We&#039;ll remove the radio ad part of the story. Thanks for making me aware of this mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan and Canyon Sports folks,<br />
Sorry if I wrongly accused you of having the Sniagrab sale with the seasons pass discount. It&#8217;s been awhile since the radio ad and finding out that I missed the sale, so it&#8217;s possible that I mixed up stores. If it makes you feel better, I bought a pair of used powder skis from Canyon Sports a few years back! We&#8217;ll remove the radio ad part of the story. Thanks for making me aware of this mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/11/09/snowbird-season-pass/comment-page-1/#comment-333441</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked reading your article in all, but one key factor was missed. You said you heard a radio ad from &quot;Canyon Sports&quot; advertising for these passes, along with their &quot;Sniagrab&quot; sale. As a  present employee of Canyon Sports I know we don&#039;t sell any seasons passes or even have any pre-season blowout sales. Maybe You should look into your facts a little more before bad mouthing a reputable ski shop. As far as the whole &quot;SNIAGRAB&quot; thing it is associated with Sports Authority, formally know as Gart Sports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked reading your article in all, but one key factor was missed. You said you heard a radio ad from &#8220;Canyon Sports&#8221; advertising for these passes, along with their &#8220;Sniagrab&#8221; sale. As a  present employee of Canyon Sports I know we don&#8217;t sell any seasons passes or even have any pre-season blowout sales. Maybe You should look into your facts a little more before bad mouthing a reputable ski shop. As far as the whole &#8220;SNIAGRAB&#8221; thing it is associated with Sports Authority, formally know as Gart Sports.</p>
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		<title>By: irwin</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/11/09/snowbird-season-pass/comment-page-1/#comment-329357</link>
		<dc:creator>irwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to know what your season rate is for 78 year olds thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to know what your season rate is for 78 year olds thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Young</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/11/09/snowbird-season-pass/comment-page-1/#comment-317564</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL. Even though it seems gimmicky, I like the word because of the sound it makes. As anyone who&#039;s heard the radio or TV ads knows, it&#039;s pronounced SNEE-uh-grab.

It evokes several mental images, especially when used in the context of a ski sale. SNEE rhymes with Ski, and feels like an action verb. Of course, Grab evokes a kind of frenzied sale.

It surely wasn&#039;t in their minds when they started, but I think that&#039;s why it continues to work year after year.

You should interview Snowbird&#039;s marketing people to see what they are actively doing to create community among skiers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL. Even though it seems gimmicky, I like the word because of the sound it makes. As anyone who&#8217;s heard the radio or TV ads knows, it&#8217;s pronounced SNEE-uh-grab.</p>
<p>It evokes several mental images, especially when used in the context of a ski sale. SNEE rhymes with Ski, and feels like an action verb. Of course, Grab evokes a kind of frenzied sale.</p>
<p>It surely wasn&#8217;t in their minds when they started, but I think that&#8217;s why it continues to work year after year.</p>
<p>You should interview Snowbird&#8217;s marketing people to see what they are actively doing to create community among skiers.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa Burdon</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/11/09/snowbird-season-pass/comment-page-1/#comment-317356</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa Burdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right that Velocity had to acquire that season pass from Snowbird at some point. Do you think that Snowbird was the active participant to seek out Velocity sports as a marketing tool to attract the locals? Or do you think that they were just giving in to a shouting community who was begging for a good deal? 

I&#039;m pretty sure that Snowbird doesn&#039;t have exclusive rights. Velocity sports offers deals and promotions on many things in the extreme sports world. Velocity doesn&#039;t necessarily tie me only to other Snowbird fans, but they do tie me to other extreme sports fans. If the extreme skiing/boarding locals are heading over to The Canyons this year and calling that the best resort, guess where I&#039;ll be going next year? Chances are that will be the next promotion Velocity will offer. 

Snowbird hasn&#039;t actively pursued my business so if I don&#039;t have a relationship or special connection with Snowbird and they aren&#039;t reminding me that they have the best terrain and powder and they aren&#039;t offering me a local promotion, what would keep me loyal?

Snowbird could have been proactive about creating that relationship directly with me and the other locals. Instead, they are letting the community decide where the best powder sits. From the few conversations I&#039;ve had with locals who have had Snowbird passes for the last several years, it seems that these &#039;once loyal&#039; Snowbird fans are now testing out the different powder again to see for themselves if there is something else better out there. Perhaps Snowbird was a little too passive?

Sniagrab is &#039;bargains&#039; backwards. I&#039;m not that much of a newcomer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right that Velocity had to acquire that season pass from Snowbird at some point. Do you think that Snowbird was the active participant to seek out Velocity sports as a marketing tool to attract the locals? Or do you think that they were just giving in to a shouting community who was begging for a good deal? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure that Snowbird doesn&#8217;t have exclusive rights. Velocity sports offers deals and promotions on many things in the extreme sports world. Velocity doesn&#8217;t necessarily tie me only to other Snowbird fans, but they do tie me to other extreme sports fans. If the extreme skiing/boarding locals are heading over to The Canyons this year and calling that the best resort, guess where I&#8217;ll be going next year? Chances are that will be the next promotion Velocity will offer. </p>
<p>Snowbird hasn&#8217;t actively pursued my business so if I don&#8217;t have a relationship or special connection with Snowbird and they aren&#8217;t reminding me that they have the best terrain and powder and they aren&#8217;t offering me a local promotion, what would keep me loyal?</p>
<p>Snowbird could have been proactive about creating that relationship directly with me and the other locals. Instead, they are letting the community decide where the best powder sits. From the few conversations I&#8217;ve had with locals who have had Snowbird passes for the last several years, it seems that these &#8216;once loyal&#8217; Snowbird fans are now testing out the different powder again to see for themselves if there is something else better out there. Perhaps Snowbird was a little too passive?</p>
<p>Sniagrab is &#8216;bargains&#8217; backwards. I&#8217;m not that much of a newcomer!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good shopping scenario! It made me think that as we write scenarios for our personae, we sometimes make them too simple to be real. We underestimate the tenacity of a shopper in Methodical mode. Maybe there&#039;s a Maniacal Methodical mode...a subset of extreme skiers and snowboarders!
Ultimately, Velocity had to acquire that season pass from Snowbird in some manner. So, the resort is in fact doing something (invisible to the general public) to enable the local fan base a means to get a season pass exactly like you did. 
And, it ties you to a group of like-minded Snowbird fans...or Sniagrab fans, etc. BTW...that sale is a Rocky Mountain annual tradition for over 50 years and as a newcomer, you simply haven&#039;t tasted the kool-aid of the local rabid transactional shopping cult.

Did you figure out how they came up with the name Sniagrab?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good shopping scenario! It made me think that as we write scenarios for our personae, we sometimes make them too simple to be real. We underestimate the tenacity of a shopper in Methodical mode. Maybe there&#8217;s a Maniacal Methodical mode&#8230;a subset of extreme skiers and snowboarders!<br />
Ultimately, Velocity had to acquire that season pass from Snowbird in some manner. So, the resort is in fact doing something (invisible to the general public) to enable the local fan base a means to get a season pass exactly like you did.<br />
And, it ties you to a group of like-minded Snowbird fans&#8230;or Sniagrab fans, etc. BTW&#8230;that sale is a Rocky Mountain annual tradition for over 50 years and as a newcomer, you simply haven&#8217;t tasted the kool-aid of the local rabid transactional shopping cult.</p>
<p>Did you figure out how they came up with the name Sniagrab?</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa Burdon</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/11/09/snowbird-season-pass/comment-page-1/#comment-315520</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa Burdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nishi, 

Thanks for your comment. You&#039;re absolutely right that Snowbird is one of the most popular resorts in the area amongst &#039;locals&#039; and advanced tourists who know where to find the powder and better terrain on the mountains. Snowbird offers a great product, therefore they&#039;re receiving the highly valuable consumer reviews naturally. The problem is that Snowbird is losing the opportunity to create deeper connections with these locals who are the ones writing these reviews, and who are essentially their walking advertisements. Are they losing some of these locals to other resorts because these people are more loyal to the community then the resort?

I agree with you 100% that Snowbird should not actively advertise their SEASON PASS deals to the tourist/visitor market. These deals wouldn&#039;t appeal to these folks due to the fact that a visitor wouldn&#039;t get their money&#039;s worth for a 7 - 10 day ski vacation.

I&#039;m more concerned about Snowbird understanding who their different customers are and speaking directly to their needs. The locals who are looking to ski 25+ days per season should be treated differently then the tourist. Because there are strong relationships in this community between locals, it would make sense for Snowbird to find out who these people are, collect their information (email, address) and offer direct promotions/deals to these individuals.

Instead of creating a relationship with velocity sports, where I know that I can count on getting a great annual deal on a seasons pass, Snowbird could have created this relationship directly with me.

As a side note, two of my friends who were receiving these same deals through velocity sports previously, decided not to buy a season&#039;s pass this year to Snowbird. They said that they&#039;re going to keep their winter open this year to give the other resorts a shot again. They&#039;ve seen some great deals to other resorts for locals, and have been collecting 2 for 1 passes to other resorts.

I wonder if these people would be going back to the drawing board and checking out the other resorts again if Snowbird had created the direct relationship with them that I&#039;m talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nishi, </p>
<p>Thanks for your comment. You&#8217;re absolutely right that Snowbird is one of the most popular resorts in the area amongst &#8216;locals&#8217; and advanced tourists who know where to find the powder and better terrain on the mountains. Snowbird offers a great product, therefore they&#8217;re receiving the highly valuable consumer reviews naturally. The problem is that Snowbird is losing the opportunity to create deeper connections with these locals who are the ones writing these reviews, and who are essentially their walking advertisements. Are they losing some of these locals to other resorts because these people are more loyal to the community then the resort?</p>
<p>I agree with you 100% that Snowbird should not actively advertise their SEASON PASS deals to the tourist/visitor market. These deals wouldn&#8217;t appeal to these folks due to the fact that a visitor wouldn&#8217;t get their money&#8217;s worth for a 7 &#8211; 10 day ski vacation.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m more concerned about Snowbird understanding who their different customers are and speaking directly to their needs. The locals who are looking to ski 25+ days per season should be treated differently then the tourist. Because there are strong relationships in this community between locals, it would make sense for Snowbird to find out who these people are, collect their information (email, address) and offer direct promotions/deals to these individuals.</p>
<p>Instead of creating a relationship with velocity sports, where I know that I can count on getting a great annual deal on a seasons pass, Snowbird could have created this relationship directly with me.</p>
<p>As a side note, two of my friends who were receiving these same deals through velocity sports previously, decided not to buy a season&#8217;s pass this year to Snowbird. They said that they&#8217;re going to keep their winter open this year to give the other resorts a shot again. They&#8217;ve seen some great deals to other resorts for locals, and have been collecting 2 for 1 passes to other resorts.</p>
<p>I wonder if these people would be going back to the drawing board and checking out the other resorts again if Snowbird had created the direct relationship with them that I&#8217;m talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: Nishi</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/11/09/snowbird-season-pass/comment-page-1/#comment-315475</link>
		<dc:creator>Nishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melissa, by your own admission, Snowbird is already the most popular resort in that area. They stand to gain more if the specials are not advertised too much. Visitors would then buy their tickets directly from them at a higher price.

Perhaps, if they were not so popular in the first place, they would benefit more by marketing their advertised deals.

What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melissa, by your own admission, Snowbird is already the most popular resort in that area. They stand to gain more if the specials are not advertised too much. Visitors would then buy their tickets directly from them at a higher price.</p>
<p>Perhaps, if they were not so popular in the first place, they would benefit more by marketing their advertised deals.</p>
<p>What do you think?</p>
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