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		<title>By: Demetrios Tzortzis- Strategic Social Media&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Effective Consumer Engagement: Understanding How Digital Convergence Continues to Affect the Advancements of All Planetary Societies</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/11/14/visitor-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-1195210</link>
		<dc:creator>Demetrios Tzortzis- Strategic Social Media&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Effective Consumer Engagement: Understanding How Digital Convergence Continues to Affect the Advancements of All Planetary Societies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Consumer engagement has always been required for the success of any media outlet. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pergo</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/11/14/visitor-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-1131286</link>
		<dc:creator>Pergo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is always powerful if you could know exactly what web pages your visitors visit and how long they stay there. If you are doing PPC, you could also evaluate how well the landing page appears and converts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is always powerful if you could know exactly what web pages your visitors visit and how long they stay there. If you are doing PPC, you could also evaluate how well the landing page appears and converts.</p>
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		<title>By: Rif Chia</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/11/14/visitor-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-429200</link>
		<dc:creator>Rif Chia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Measuring and knowing how your visitors behave after entering into your site will give you a brief idea whether you should start doing something better. If you have 100 visits and 112 pageviews, start doing something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Measuring and knowing how your visitors behave after entering into your site will give you a brief idea whether you should start doing something better. If you have 100 visits and 112 pageviews, start doing something.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Patiro</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/11/14/visitor-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-334815</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Patiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert: Measuring engagement certainly is related to the bottom line as you stated, but it covers area that extends beyond the reach of direct marketing.  Tracking engagement can be applied across the entire site to see if all of their traffic is tending to &quot;engage&quot; with them more or less over time.  Actionable insight can be taken from any changes in a site&#039;s measure of engagement, and can monitor the impact of any changes made to a site without waiting for the effect to make it all the way to the bottom line.  


Jeff: I like that Content Interest Index does apply to page level as it can give some indication of how well visitors are interacting with your content.  In comparing Take Rate to CII, I do not want to say that you should abandon CII.  I still say that CII is your unique formula that is very useful for your purposes and I&#039;m sure many other sites would agree.  

To show you that it shouldn&#039;t be applied as a universal metric we can apply it to blogs.  Blogs tend to measure links and comments more heavily than friend referrals and printed pages.  Applying more flexibility to a CII could be an approach for any site to create one or several Take Rate actions combined together to give their own Content Interest Index, Engagement, etc...  The point is lets not get hung up on names and any rigid structures when we are dealing with metrics that must measure this very non-rigid medium of the Web.  We must do what works best for the specific needs and goals of each individual site being analyzed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert: Measuring engagement certainly is related to the bottom line as you stated, but it covers area that extends beyond the reach of direct marketing.  Tracking engagement can be applied across the entire site to see if all of their traffic is tending to &#8220;engage&#8221; with them more or less over time.  Actionable insight can be taken from any changes in a site&#8217;s measure of engagement, and can monitor the impact of any changes made to a site without waiting for the effect to make it all the way to the bottom line.  </p>
<p>Jeff: I like that Content Interest Index does apply to page level as it can give some indication of how well visitors are interacting with your content.  In comparing Take Rate to CII, I do not want to say that you should abandon CII.  I still say that CII is your unique formula that is very useful for your purposes and I&#8217;m sure many other sites would agree.  </p>
<p>To show you that it shouldn&#8217;t be applied as a universal metric we can apply it to blogs.  Blogs tend to measure links and comments more heavily than friend referrals and printed pages.  Applying more flexibility to a CII could be an approach for any site to create one or several Take Rate actions combined together to give their own Content Interest Index, Engagement, etc&#8230;  The point is lets not get hung up on names and any rigid structures when we are dealing with metrics that must measure this very non-rigid medium of the Web.  We must do what works best for the specific needs and goals of each individual site being analyzed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Larche</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/11/14/visitor-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-332018</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Larche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Ron --

Thanks for the quick and thoughtful feedback. 

I&#039;m not sure I agree with you, however, on Take Rate being like CII. 

CII measures at the page level, not the site level. Consider it a &quot;micro-Take-Rate,&quot; perhaps, because it uses two proxies for reader interest as the &quot;mini-conversions&quot; of that page, and can be used as a coaching tool to help content managers understand the impact of their content changes over time.

Its primary value is as a coaching tool. What the CII &quot;coaches&quot; is reader engagement, as measured by their readers&#039; willingness to share the content or send it to their printer (for filing, annotation or physical pass-alongs).

Your greater point is quite correct, of course. Everything relies on the objectives of your site. There is not one-size-fits-all engagement metric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Ron &#8211;</p>
<p>Thanks for the quick and thoughtful feedback. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I agree with you, however, on Take Rate being like CII. </p>
<p>CII measures at the page level, not the site level. Consider it a &#8220;micro-Take-Rate,&#8221; perhaps, because it uses two proxies for reader interest as the &#8220;mini-conversions&#8221; of that page, and can be used as a coaching tool to help content managers understand the impact of their content changes over time.</p>
<p>Its primary value is as a coaching tool. What the CII &#8220;coaches&#8221; is reader engagement, as measured by their readers&#8217; willingness to share the content or send it to their printer (for filing, annotation or physical pass-alongs).</p>
<p>Your greater point is quite correct, of course. Everything relies on the objectives of your site. There is not one-size-fits-all engagement metric.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Blakeley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Blakeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me engagement is just a variation of the plain ol&#039; scoring concept used in direct marketing since forever. What is engagement, after all, but a &quot;qualified&quot; customer measure. As such, a customer&#039;s engagement index has value in its ability to predict conversion (however broadly you want to define conversion). The ability to predict conversion, in turn, becomes the validation test of you engagement model. IE. you can say people with engagement x have a value of $y to the business. If not that, then what&#039;s the point of engagement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me engagement is just a variation of the plain ol&#8217; scoring concept used in direct marketing since forever. What is engagement, after all, but a &#8220;qualified&#8221; customer measure. As such, a customer&#8217;s engagement index has value in its ability to predict conversion (however broadly you want to define conversion). The ability to predict conversion, in turn, becomes the validation test of you engagement model. IE. you can say people with engagement x have a value of $y to the business. If not that, then what&#8217;s the point of engagement?</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Patiro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Patiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the comments and additional insight!

Aaron: Jim Novo&#039;s post on &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.jimnovo.com/2007/11/19/data-analysis-insight/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; analysis and insight&lt;/a&gt; definitely helps explain why the eyes of management or a client may glaze over in front of overly complicated models.

Jeff:  I checked out your white paper on &quot;Content Interest Index&quot; and do see some value in it, but want to reiterate that each sites unique purpose will define how important any specific metric is.  CII could be summed up as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/10/24/take-rate/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Take Rate&lt;/a&gt; which offers a good measure for micro-conversions and could also be related to engagement. Once again both are contingent on the site&#039;s definition of an engaged visitor and their unique set of goals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the comments and additional insight!</p>
<p>Aaron: Jim Novo&#8217;s post on <a href="http://blog.jimnovo.com/2007/11/19/data-analysis-insight/"> analysis and insight</a> definitely helps explain why the eyes of management or a client may glaze over in front of overly complicated models.</p>
<p>Jeff:  I checked out your white paper on &#8220;Content Interest Index&#8221; and do see some value in it, but want to reiterate that each sites unique purpose will define how important any specific metric is.  CII could be summed up as <a href="http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/10/24/take-rate/"> Take Rate</a> which offers a good measure for micro-conversions and could also be related to engagement. Once again both are contingent on the site&#8217;s definition of an engaged visitor and their unique set of goals.</p>
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		<title>By: Digital Solid: Marketing Technology ROI &#187; The power of nuance and why words really do matter on the web</title>
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		<dc:creator>Digital Solid: Marketing Technology ROI &#187; The power of nuance and why words really do matter on the web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for content managers to gauge success. The best they had were more global, site-wide metrics. NOTE: This Tools + Tips post on GrokDotCom provides an excellent run-down of some existing engagement metr... for overall site [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Aaron Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing Ronald!  Great stuff.  

I often advise folks to use what is applicable to their online model and leave the rest.  When we give too much math to some groups they tend to glaze over and start thinking about where they may have a beer after work.  I like straight forward - actionable KPI that everyone can get behind and, more importantly, understand.  Sure we can complicate measurement to where only a few folks &quot;get it&quot; but if they have no pull (E.g. aren&#039;t the HIPPO - thanks for that one Avinash) nothing gets done.  Just like out marketing - our KPI must be delivered to the right person with the right message (data) and at the right time.

Knowing is half the battle - right?

Cheers,
AJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing Ronald!  Great stuff.  </p>
<p>I often advise folks to use what is applicable to their online model and leave the rest.  When we give too much math to some groups they tend to glaze over and start thinking about where they may have a beer after work.  I like straight forward &#8211; actionable KPI that everyone can get behind and, more importantly, understand.  Sure we can complicate measurement to where only a few folks &#8220;get it&#8221; but if they have no pull (E.g. aren&#8217;t the HIPPO &#8211; thanks for that one Avinash) nothing gets done.  Just like out marketing &#8211; our KPI must be delivered to the right person with the right message (data) and at the right time.</p>
<p>Knowing is half the battle &#8211; right?</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
AJ</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Larche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Larche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Ronald --

This is very valuable stuff. Thanks for sharing! 

I&#039;d like to humbly suggest another measure of the &quot;engagement power&quot; of a site. It&#039;s called Content Interest Index, and here&#039;s where you can download the whitepaper (free, and with no registration required):

http://www.digitalsolid.com/?p=219

Also, I explain the utility of this new metric in a quirky little Pecha Kucha (I&#039;ll let you see what THAT is when you arrive). Here&#039;s the link to that YouTube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_5l6hXwzUo

This isn&#039;t comment spam, BTW. I&#039;m merely trying to spread the word on an open source &quot;meme&quot; that can be extremely valuable to content manages sites that get a lot of traffic and place an emphasis on conversions.

I hope you and your readers find it intriguing. I&#039;d love to see any comments for readers on my blog or yours!

Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Ronald &#8211;</p>
<p>This is very valuable stuff. Thanks for sharing! </p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to humbly suggest another measure of the &#8220;engagement power&#8221; of a site. It&#8217;s called Content Interest Index, and here&#8217;s where you can download the whitepaper (free, and with no registration required):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.digitalsolid.com/?p=219">http://www.digitalsolid.com/?p=219</a></p>
<p>Also, I explain the utility of this new metric in a quirky little Pecha Kucha (I&#8217;ll let you see what THAT is when you arrive). Here&#8217;s the link to that YouTube video:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_5l6hXwzUo">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_5l6hXwzUo</a></p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t comment spam, BTW. I&#8217;m merely trying to spread the word on an open source &#8220;meme&#8221; that can be extremely valuable to content manages sites that get a lot of traffic and place an emphasis on conversions.</p>
<p>I hope you and your readers find it intriguing. I&#8217;d love to see any comments for readers on my blog or yours!</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Data, Analysis, Insight &#187; Marketing Productivity Blog &#187; Blog Archive</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/11/14/visitor-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-331675</link>
		<dc:creator>Data, Analysis, Insight &#187; Marketing Productivity Blog &#187; Blog Archive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Arnaud Fischer</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/11/14/visitor-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-331584</link>
		<dc:creator>Arnaud Fischer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty interesting. Very right. Using some sort of compounded index is probably the best approach, depending on the type of business. Monitoring Sentiment Analysis is probably another way for larger brands to look at Engagement as a metric. In a nutshell, Sentiment Analysis draws on computational linguistic and semantic parsing to transform unstructured online dialog into marketing insights.

-arnaud</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty interesting. Very right. Using some sort of compounded index is probably the best approach, depending on the type of business. Monitoring Sentiment Analysis is probably another way for larger brands to look at Engagement as a metric. In a nutshell, Sentiment Analysis draws on computational linguistic and semantic parsing to transform unstructured online dialog into marketing insights.</p>
<p>-arnaud</p>
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		<title>By: Mrutyunjay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrutyunjay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Ronald,

These are definitely well thought out and practical. I am sure it will help everyone.

Thanks,
Mrutyunjay</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ronald,</p>
<p>These are definitely well thought out and practical. I am sure it will help everyone.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Mrutyunjay</p>
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		<title>By: Webanalyticsbook &#187; Web Analytics Links - Nine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Webanalyticsbook &#187; Web Analytics Links - Nine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ron Patiro</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/11/14/visitor-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-319962</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Patiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you!</description>
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		<title>By: Avinash Kaushik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avinash Kaushik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You had me at hello. 

:)

Nice work Ron, very well thought out.

-Avinash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You had me at hello. </p>
<p> <img src='http://www.grokdotcom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Nice work Ron, very well thought out.</p>
<p>-Avinash.</p>
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