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		<title>By: Vishal Nayak - B2B Copywriter</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/11/20/writers-are-undervalued/comment-page-1/#comment-1121258</link>
		<dc:creator>Vishal Nayak - B2B Copywriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought I&#039;d just start the discussion again.

Nishi, what you say is still true one year down the line. The online copywriter is still seen as the unglamorous cousin of print and television.

Chuck, certain clients view content as not something that&#039;ll add value but something that comes into discussion after everything else is settled: &quot;ok, we also need content&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I&#8217;d just start the discussion again.</p>
<p>Nishi, what you say is still true one year down the line. The online copywriter is still seen as the unglamorous cousin of print and television.</p>
<p>Chuck, certain clients view content as not something that&#8217;ll add value but something that comes into discussion after everything else is settled: &#8220;ok, we also need content&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Nishi Viswanathan</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/11/20/writers-are-undervalued/comment-page-1/#comment-397455</link>
		<dc:creator>Nishi Viswanathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuck, we do, but sometimes price is the most important factor, especially for Small Businesses:(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck, we do, but sometimes price is the most important factor, especially for Small Businesses:(</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck McKay</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/11/20/writers-are-undervalued/comment-page-1/#comment-395674</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck McKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A client recently approached my company Chillibreeze.com to write 1000 word articles for 10 dollars each! Obviously, we said no. But we are sure he found another writer to write his articles at that ridiculous price. As long as such writers exist in the online marketplace, online copywriting will remain an unglamorous job.&quot;

Nishi, its not the existence of low fee writers that keep those fees low and unglamorous.  Its the client&#039;s inability to discern any value in the higher-priced writer.  

Can you explain the differences to him, in terms that will benefit him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A client recently approached my company Chillibreeze.com to write 1000 word articles for 10 dollars each! Obviously, we said no. But we are sure he found another writer to write his articles at that ridiculous price. As long as such writers exist in the online marketplace, online copywriting will remain an unglamorous job.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nishi, its not the existence of low fee writers that keep those fees low and unglamorous.  Its the client&#8217;s inability to discern any value in the higher-priced writer.  </p>
<p>Can you explain the differences to him, in terms that will benefit him?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Gorell</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/11/20/writers-are-undervalued/comment-page-1/#comment-395552</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Gorell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stew: You don&#039;t actually work for the campaign, do you? Did they tell you to copy and paste off-topic, press release-style comments onto blogs, or was that your idea? Seriously, I&#039;d like to know.

If you do work for Biden&#039;s campaign, you should all be sure to listen to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/12/17/seth-godin-interview/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;today&#039;s podcast interview with Seth Godin&lt;/a&gt;. 

...or this one &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/07/05/grokcast-david-meerman-scott-on-the-new-rules-of-marketing-pr-part-1/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;from the archives&lt;/a&gt;

You might learn a thing or two about how to use new media effectively.

I&#039;ll be emailing Becky and Joshua at the Biden campaign to let them know you&#039;re spamming our readers. (Sorry, everyone.)

-Editor, GrokDotCom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stew: You don&#8217;t actually work for the campaign, do you? Did they tell you to copy and paste off-topic, press release-style comments onto blogs, or was that your idea? Seriously, I&#8217;d like to know.</p>
<p>If you do work for Biden&#8217;s campaign, you should all be sure to listen to <a href="http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/12/17/seth-godin-interview/">today&#8217;s podcast interview with Seth Godin</a>. </p>
<p>&#8230;or this one <a href="http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/07/05/grokcast-david-meerman-scott-on-the-new-rules-of-marketing-pr-part-1/">from the archives</a></p>
<p>You might learn a thing or two about how to use new media effectively.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be emailing Becky and Joshua at the Biden campaign to let them know you&#8217;re spamming our readers. (Sorry, everyone.)</p>
<p>-Editor, GrokDotCom</p>
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		<title>By: stew</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/11/20/writers-are-undervalued/comment-page-1/#comment-395539</link>
		<dc:creator>stew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>writers


WRITERS VALUED HERE!

&quot;...Joe Biden is now the third best bet for the nomination. I&#039;m hearing a lot of buzz about him from people who pay attention.&quot;
- Chris Matthews, MSNBC (12/10/07)
The Biden for President Campaign would like YOU to go to IOWA. This once-in-a-lifetime opportunity would allow you to see a caucus and presidential campaign first-hand in the earliest voting state. We need your help, so please join us as we strive to get Senator Biden elected the next PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Dates: Anytime between December 14, 2007 - January 4th, 2008
Accommodations: Provided by the campaign. (Contact for more details)

Please join us for this INCREDIBLE opportunity. If you would like to find out more information, please e-mail our campaign: [deleted*] or [deleted*] with the subject line: IOWA. You may also call the campaign at (302) DEL-ETED*!

Thank you and we hope to see you

&lt;em&gt;[*Editor&#039;s Note: The Biden campaign has informed us that this message was copy/pasted from an opt-in campaign email by an overzealous supporter. They do not condone this person spamming us, and have asked that we remove the names and phone number, as they were intended to reach only a closed list of Biden campaign supporters.]&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>writers</p>
<p>WRITERS VALUED HERE!</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;Joe Biden is now the third best bet for the nomination. I&#8217;m hearing a lot of buzz about him from people who pay attention.&#8221;<br />
- Chris Matthews, MSNBC (12/10/07)<br />
The Biden for President Campaign would like YOU to go to IOWA. This once-in-a-lifetime opportunity would allow you to see a caucus and presidential campaign first-hand in the earliest voting state. We need your help, so please join us as we strive to get Senator Biden elected the next PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.</p>
<p>Dates: Anytime between December 14, 2007 &#8211; January 4th, 2008<br />
Accommodations: Provided by the campaign. (Contact for more details)</p>
<p>Please join us for this INCREDIBLE opportunity. If you would like to find out more information, please e-mail our campaign: [deleted*] or [deleted*] with the subject line: IOWA. You may also call the campaign at (302) DEL-ETED*!</p>
<p>Thank you and we hope to see you</p>
<p><em>[*Editor's Note: The Biden campaign has informed us that this message was copy/pasted from an opt-in campaign email by an overzealous supporter. They do not condone this person spamming us, and have asked that we remove the names and phone number, as they were intended to reach only a closed list of Biden campaign supporters.]</em></p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Greer</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/11/20/writers-are-undervalued/comment-page-1/#comment-388322</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle Greer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.  Finding a good writer that understands SEO as well as the topic they are writing about can make or break a site in this age of &quot;content is king.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.  Finding a good writer that understands SEO as well as the topic they are writing about can make or break a site in this age of &#8220;content is king.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/11/20/writers-are-undervalued/comment-page-1/#comment-355111</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>copy/text content is the one sure thing to get indexed by the search engines.  Persuasive and relevant content is the one sure thing to get noticed by the 1 second that we have the users/readers/customers attention.  This is true whether we are writing for a blog or copy for a product on an ecommerce web site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>copy/text content is the one sure thing to get indexed by the search engines.  Persuasive and relevant content is the one sure thing to get noticed by the 1 second that we have the users/readers/customers attention.  This is true whether we are writing for a blog or copy for a product on an ecommerce web site.</p>
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		<title>By: Bronwyn Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/11/20/writers-are-undervalued/comment-page-1/#comment-354065</link>
		<dc:creator>Bronwyn Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, thank you! 

The good news is that written content is starting to get the same amount of attention that IA was getting five years ago.  The momentum is with us.  We just need to keep it that way — and make sure the money comes along for the ride.  The next time you hear creative directors, web designers, IAs, or UX folks pontificate about how important they think good writing is, ask them if they have a writing budget.  Then listen to the deafening peals of embarrassed silence.  

Do I think web copywriters should be paid as much as web designers?  No.  But great web copywriters should be paid as much as great web designers.  And great web copywriters bring a different skill set to the table than, say, print copywriters or ad copywriters.  They bring tech savvy, IA experience, and a holistic view of the user experience.  Just like great web designers. Oh, and they can also write really well.  

So, if you want to be a great web copywriter, learn those things.  If you want to hire a great copywriter, well, good for you.  You&#039;re in the minority.  For now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, thank you! </p>
<p>The good news is that written content is starting to get the same amount of attention that IA was getting five years ago.  The momentum is with us.  We just need to keep it that way — and make sure the money comes along for the ride.  The next time you hear creative directors, web designers, IAs, or UX folks pontificate about how important they think good writing is, ask them if they have a writing budget.  Then listen to the deafening peals of embarrassed silence.  </p>
<p>Do I think web copywriters should be paid as much as web designers?  No.  But great web copywriters should be paid as much as great web designers.  And great web copywriters bring a different skill set to the table than, say, print copywriters or ad copywriters.  They bring tech savvy, IA experience, and a holistic view of the user experience.  Just like great web designers. Oh, and they can also write really well.  </p>
<p>So, if you want to be a great web copywriter, learn those things.  If you want to hire a great copywriter, well, good for you.  You&#8217;re in the minority.  For now.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Gilbertson</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/11/20/writers-are-undervalued/comment-page-1/#comment-350603</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Gilbertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the web matures and the space becomes more competitive, I think that the importance of copywriting will rise to the top.

In the space of information, the design and the technical stuff becomes a commodity, but good content is still hard to produce and valuable.

Brilliant quote Bronwyn Jones!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the web matures and the space becomes more competitive, I think that the importance of copywriting will rise to the top.</p>
<p>In the space of information, the design and the technical stuff becomes a commodity, but good content is still hard to produce and valuable.</p>
<p>Brilliant quote Bronwyn Jones!</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Driscoll</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/11/20/writers-are-undervalued/comment-page-1/#comment-349771</link>
		<dc:creator>Alison Driscoll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!! I can&#039;t tell you how many times I&#039;ve felt like the least important person at my company, because &quot;all I have to do is write.&quot; As we&#039;re starting to see with the strike, there&#039;s nothing to film if nothing gets written. Similarly, there&#039;d be nothing to code if I wasn&#039;t there. 

So thanks, you made this underappreciated writer&#039;s day a little brighter!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!! I can&#8217;t tell you how many times I&#8217;ve felt like the least important person at my company, because &#8220;all I have to do is write.&#8221; As we&#8217;re starting to see with the strike, there&#8217;s nothing to film if nothing gets written. Similarly, there&#8217;d be nothing to code if I wasn&#8217;t there. </p>
<p>So thanks, you made this underappreciated writer&#8217;s day a little brighter!</p>
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		<title>By: Nishi</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/11/20/writers-are-undervalued/comment-page-1/#comment-349619</link>
		<dc:creator>Nishi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, online copywriters are undervalued. But the worst part is we are undervaluing ourselves too! 

How? 

We attach more importance to getting published in print magazines and newspapers. An article gets published on an online mag. Big deal! It gets published in ELLE. Wow!!

As Robert says, we are prepared to accept lower pay for online copy. A client recently approached my company Chillibreeze.com to write 1000 word articles for 10 dollars each! Obviously, we said no. But we are sure he found another writer to write his articles at that ridiculous price. As long as such writers exist in the online marketplace, online copywriting will remain an unglamorous job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, online copywriters are undervalued. But the worst part is we are undervaluing ourselves too! </p>
<p>How? </p>
<p>We attach more importance to getting published in print magazines and newspapers. An article gets published on an online mag. Big deal! It gets published in ELLE. Wow!!</p>
<p>As Robert says, we are prepared to accept lower pay for online copy. A client recently approached my company Chillibreeze.com to write 1000 word articles for 10 dollars each! Obviously, we said no. But we are sure he found another writer to write his articles at that ridiculous price. As long as such writers exist in the online marketplace, online copywriting will remain an unglamorous job.</p>
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		<title>By: Thom</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2007/11/20/writers-are-undervalued/comment-page-1/#comment-335473</link>
		<dc:creator>Thom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 23:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hell. Yeah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hell. Yeah.</p>
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