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		<title>By: Must-Reads on Persuasion Architecture for Serious Marketers &#124; KGAPS Consulting</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2008/05/30/marketing-to-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-1206479</link>
		<dc:creator>Must-Reads on Persuasion Architecture for Serious Marketers &#124; KGAPS Consulting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] How to Avoid Marketing To Yourself [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bloggers Digest &#8211; 6/6/08 &#124; Get Elastic</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2008/05/30/marketing-to-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-1194283</link>
		<dc:creator>Bloggers Digest &#8211; 6/6/08 &#124; Get Elastic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 19:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Have you Me&#8217;d all over yourself so bad you are now swimming in a sea of irrelevance? Break the cycle with Robert Gorell&#8217;s How to Avoid Marketing To You. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Have you Me&#8217;d all over yourself so bad you are now swimming in a sea of irrelevance? Break the cycle with Robert Gorell&#8217;s How to Avoid Marketing To You. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: La publicité dans les médias sociaux : l’erreur à éviter. &#171; Domenico Micheletti</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2008/05/30/marketing-to-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-1147734</link>
		<dc:creator>La publicité dans les médias sociaux : l’erreur à éviter. &#171; Domenico Micheletti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] suis tombé au début du mois sur un article de Robert Gorell intitulé « How to Avoid Marketing to Yourself » et ça m’a inspiré ce petit [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] suis tombé au début du mois sur un article de Robert Gorell intitulé « How to Avoid Marketing to Yourself » et ça m’a inspiré ce petit [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Boat Parties</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2008/05/30/marketing-to-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-1128070</link>
		<dc:creator>Boat Parties</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Facebook and Twitter are great models of Web 2.0. However, I find them irrelevant in marketing. I may be wrong, but companies with a more straight forward approach such as Craigslist is more intuitive and a better marketing tool. It just seems like Facebook and Twitter are leaders simply because of lack of something better. They are hot...But their usefulness is waning, at least in my approach to marketing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Facebook and Twitter are great models of Web 2.0. However, I find them irrelevant in marketing. I may be wrong, but companies with a more straight forward approach such as Craigslist is more intuitive and a better marketing tool. It just seems like Facebook and Twitter are leaders simply because of lack of something better. They are hot&#8230;But their usefulness is waning, at least in my approach to marketing.</p>
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		<title>By: MarketingHoodie</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2008/05/30/marketing-to-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-984536</link>
		<dc:creator>MarketingHoodie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truth is of course that no-one really knows what will work until they try it (although, as you say, there are things that you can do to increase chances of success).

As per POST, you can put People first (but there&#039;s nothing stopping you making an arse (or ass) of yourself once you come to deliver).

Or you can skip all the other stages and come up with a blinding brilliant programme of content that you realise will inspire the people you need to speak to, practically builds a strategy by itself and is intrinsically linked to the kind of technologies needed to get it out to the audience (or help them find it).

My favourite analogy of the moment is social media as a party - it&#039;s time for big companies to stop trying to host parties (which is pretty expensive, especially if you have to pay guests to come and pretend to be your friend) and start being the memorable, intelligent guest at the parties that are already going on. The guest with the most, best content wins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truth is of course that no-one really knows what will work until they try it (although, as you say, there are things that you can do to increase chances of success).</p>
<p>As per POST, you can put People first (but there&#8217;s nothing stopping you making an arse (or ass) of yourself once you come to deliver).</p>
<p>Or you can skip all the other stages and come up with a blinding brilliant programme of content that you realise will inspire the people you need to speak to, practically builds a strategy by itself and is intrinsically linked to the kind of technologies needed to get it out to the audience (or help them find it).</p>
<p>My favourite analogy of the moment is social media as a party &#8211; it&#8217;s time for big companies to stop trying to host parties (which is pretty expensive, especially if you have to pay guests to come and pretend to be your friend) and start being the memorable, intelligent guest at the parties that are already going on. The guest with the most, best content wins.</p>
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		<title>By: susan</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2008/05/30/marketing-to-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-938567</link>
		<dc:creator>susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 11:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you did not tell me any more than I already knew.lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you did not tell me any more than I already knew.lol</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Parnell</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2008/05/30/marketing-to-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-860787</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Parnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can anyone enlighten me on any real benefit they have had using social media to promote a financial services company? I have twitered around (pun intended) but found it time consuming and somewhat mindless. Your feedback and any tips would be welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can anyone enlighten me on any real benefit they have had using social media to promote a financial services company? I have twitered around (pun intended) but found it time consuming and somewhat mindless. Your feedback and any tips would be welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven R. Watts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven R. Watts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sea of irrelevance . . . I&#039;m going to have to re-read Orwell, and look at Brave New World. 

As marketer, the goal is obviously to be the one shred of truth in the sea of irrelevance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sea of irrelevance . . . I&#8217;m going to have to re-read Orwell, and look at Brave New World. </p>
<p>As marketer, the goal is obviously to be the one shred of truth in the sea of irrelevance.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Gorell</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2008/05/30/marketing-to-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-822077</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Gorell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 20:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UPDATE (belated): Brian Clark, the editor and founder of Copyblogger, has elaborated on this topic: “&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.copyblogger.com/effective-social-media-marketing/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Five Essential Elements of Effective Social Media Marketing&lt;/a&gt;&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UPDATE (belated): Brian Clark, the editor and founder of Copyblogger, has elaborated on this topic: “<a href="http://www.copyblogger.com/effective-social-media-marketing/">The Five Essential Elements of Effective Social Media Marketing</a>&#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Carter</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2008/05/30/marketing-to-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-792078</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 05:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very insightful.  It makes sense- if most people listen to radio, watch TV, watch movies, sit in an audience, the ratio of speakers to listeners has always been quite high- that may change somewhat... but maybe not.  Maybe the SM people are just the speakers in a new medium.

People have always interacted &quot;conversed&quot; with their small circle, and may do that online, but how many will want to take the stage?  I wonder if many do not comment on blogs because that&#039;s the equivalent of taking the stage and exposing your thoughts for reaction or ridicule.

This human dynamic may not change online- so we&#039;ll still need speakers and facilitators and provocateurs online- all the listeners and watchers will not suddenly become speakers, will they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very insightful.  It makes sense- if most people listen to radio, watch TV, watch movies, sit in an audience, the ratio of speakers to listeners has always been quite high- that may change somewhat&#8230; but maybe not.  Maybe the SM people are just the speakers in a new medium.</p>
<p>People have always interacted &#8220;conversed&#8221; with their small circle, and may do that online, but how many will want to take the stage?  I wonder if many do not comment on blogs because that&#8217;s the equivalent of taking the stage and exposing your thoughts for reaction or ridicule.</p>
<p>This human dynamic may not change online- so we&#8217;ll still need speakers and facilitators and provocateurs online- all the listeners and watchers will not suddenly become speakers, will they?</p>
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		<title>By: jcorn</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2008/05/30/marketing-to-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-790790</link>
		<dc:creator>jcorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 19:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m probably marketing myself all wrong but the article struck home with me. All I&#039;ve basically done is write and not really focus on self-promotion. I wrote reviews. I wrote articles and I did that often enough to get noticed. Please NOTE: I got noticed but I did not actively promote myself. Like-minded people (those who already wanted to read book reviews or authors in search of a book reviewer) came to me. It took more time than if I&#039;d promoted myself (possibly, not sure). Yes, I&#039;ve entered the age of Digg and all that but I still find myself veering off to FIND interesting content more often than I try to get my stuff seen. Maybe that is a mistake, not sure. Your take?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m probably marketing myself all wrong but the article struck home with me. All I&#8217;ve basically done is write and not really focus on self-promotion. I wrote reviews. I wrote articles and I did that often enough to get noticed. Please NOTE: I got noticed but I did not actively promote myself. Like-minded people (those who already wanted to read book reviews or authors in search of a book reviewer) came to me. It took more time than if I&#8217;d promoted myself (possibly, not sure). Yes, I&#8217;ve entered the age of Digg and all that but I still find myself veering off to FIND interesting content more often than I try to get my stuff seen. Maybe that is a mistake, not sure. Your take?</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Smallman</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2008/05/30/marketing-to-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-778107</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne Smallman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely brilliant!

This is something I should have written. Question is, why the hell didn&#039;t I?

Seriously though, I feel somewhat vindicated, since I&#039;ve been largely opposed to the idea of social media as a legitimate marketing method in its own right, which hasn&#039;t exactly helped me win friends and influence people in the social media marketing realm, largely because I keep poking holes in their big talk.

What of social media as part of a holistic strategy? Absolutely. But on its own, it&#039;s a short-term thing that simply isn&#039;t sustainable...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely brilliant!</p>
<p>This is something I should have written. Question is, why the hell didn&#8217;t I?</p>
<p>Seriously though, I feel somewhat vindicated, since I&#8217;ve been largely opposed to the idea of social media as a legitimate marketing method in its own right, which hasn&#8217;t exactly helped me win friends and influence people in the social media marketing realm, largely because I keep poking holes in their big talk.</p>
<p>What of social media as part of a holistic strategy? Absolutely. But on its own, it&#8217;s a short-term thing that simply isn&#8217;t sustainable&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Bailey</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2008/05/30/marketing-to-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-777508</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert,

Excellent article!  Spot on in your analysis as well.  So many marketers are enamored with the technology, but forget the people. 

Great observations, and above all, thank you for invoking the name of Neil Postman, who is prophetically more relevant in the Internet Age than he was twenty years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert,</p>
<p>Excellent article!  Spot on in your analysis as well.  So many marketers are enamored with the technology, but forget the people. </p>
<p>Great observations, and above all, thank you for invoking the name of Neil Postman, who is prophetically more relevant in the Internet Age than he was twenty years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Salwolke</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2008/05/30/marketing-to-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-775856</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Salwolke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 01:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree social media shouldn&#039;t be forced. Unfortunately with my schedule I have to force myself to participate in more social mediums. I understand its benefits, especially the contacts I could make. Obviously as the data shows, its potential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree social media shouldn&#8217;t be forced. Unfortunately with my schedule I have to force myself to participate in more social mediums. I understand its benefits, especially the contacts I could make. Obviously as the data shows, its potential.</p>
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		<title>By: Netcan</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2008/05/30/marketing-to-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-773086</link>
		<dc:creator>Netcan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 00:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>--&quot;The problem is marketers putting tactics before strategy and expecting different results just because the technology and format are new.&quot;--
In many cases, the strategy is entrenched. They are built into products &amp; companies &amp; brands. You can think of it in Darwinian terms. TV is vast grasslands and most big US consumer products are herds grazers. If jungles suddenly sprout most of the herds won&#039;t do as well on leaves. 

With TV/Radio/Print mega brands those who succeeded are those who could make the most of using that thing that they had control of: 30 seconds packets of semi-aware, general publics&#039; attention. (demographically segmented etc., but that so blunt it&#039;s a detail) 
Since TV/Radio/Print as a whole had (and still has) a lot of available &#039;attention&#039; those brands, companies &amp; products that could utilise this resource thrive.
 
In contrast, smaller sources of &#039;attention&#039; developed different  (ecosystems?). Door-to-door was the staple of products, companies, brands etc. that could take advantage of fewer richer packets of attention. A requirement for door-to-door is excitement, immediate actionability etc. You can&#039;t sell coca cola door to door either. You can (could) sell encyclopaedias vacuums.

PPC (Google mostly) already has a young ecosystem around it. But it still doesn&#039;t work for launching a new flavour of Coke.

Many of the newer sources of attention are well, new. They have immediate value to those companies that live on different sources only inasmuch as they can serve the existing companies, as they are. It&#039;s likely that full advantage of these new sources, can only be be taken by companies that do not yet exist. Maybe the old companies will adapt. Probably a bit of both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8211;&#8221;The problem is marketers putting tactics before strategy and expecting different results just because the technology and format are new.&#8221;&#8211;<br />
In many cases, the strategy is entrenched. They are built into products &amp; companies &amp; brands. You can think of it in Darwinian terms. TV is vast grasslands and most big US consumer products are herds grazers. If jungles suddenly sprout most of the herds won&#8217;t do as well on leaves. </p>
<p>With TV/Radio/Print mega brands those who succeeded are those who could make the most of using that thing that they had control of: 30 seconds packets of semi-aware, general publics&#8217; attention. (demographically segmented etc., but that so blunt it&#8217;s a detail)<br />
Since TV/Radio/Print as a whole had (and still has) a lot of available &#8216;attention&#8217; those brands, companies &amp; products that could utilise this resource thrive.</p>
<p>In contrast, smaller sources of &#8216;attention&#8217; developed different  (ecosystems?). Door-to-door was the staple of products, companies, brands etc. that could take advantage of fewer richer packets of attention. A requirement for door-to-door is excitement, immediate actionability etc. You can&#8217;t sell coca cola door to door either. You can (could) sell encyclopaedias vacuums.</p>
<p>PPC (Google mostly) already has a young ecosystem around it. But it still doesn&#8217;t work for launching a new flavour of Coke.</p>
<p>Many of the newer sources of attention are well, new. They have immediate value to those companies that live on different sources only inasmuch as they can serve the existing companies, as they are. It&#8217;s likely that full advantage of these new sources, can only be be taken by companies that do not yet exist. Maybe the old companies will adapt. Probably a bit of both.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Clark</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2008/05/30/marketing-to-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-771802</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 14:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;listening, researching, and refining

Bingo.</description>
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<p>Bingo.</p>
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