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	<title>Comments on: Let&#8217;s Get Rid of Performance Based Marketing, Huh?</title>
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		<title>By: web marketing</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/01/29/lets-get-rid-of-performance-based-marketing-huh/comment-page-1/#comment-1193283</link>
		<dc:creator>web marketing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Performance based marketing? I really afraid of that when it is online web marketing specially by SEO. I like to read your blog for marketing tips. Great resources here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Performance based marketing? I really afraid of that when it is online web marketing specially by SEO. I like to read your blog for marketing tips. Great resources here.</p>
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		<title>By: ePIKI</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/01/29/lets-get-rid-of-performance-based-marketing-huh/comment-page-1/#comment-1191721</link>
		<dc:creator>ePIKI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 06:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m also agreed with David, that Internet ads are still very effective and productive compared to thousand dollars spending on a 30-40 sec. TV ads. On the other hand, just noticed few days back, internet ad service agencies like Chitika now introduced a new concept of ads. Ads will be displayed only if your site visited through a search engine and on a certain keyword.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m also agreed with David, that Internet ads are still very effective and productive compared to thousand dollars spending on a 30-40 sec. TV ads. On the other hand, just noticed few days back, internet ad service agencies like Chitika now introduced a new concept of ads. Ads will be displayed only if your site visited through a search engine and on a certain keyword.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Promotional Products</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/01/29/lets-get-rid-of-performance-based-marketing-huh/comment-page-1/#comment-1190648</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Promotional Products</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 13:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can just dump performance based marketing, there are too many people out there that without performance based systems they can&#039;t function.  This is not everyone of course but there are those that if they are not forced by a set requirement of conditions they can&#039;t function?
Doug</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can just dump performance based marketing, there are too many people out there that without performance based systems they can&#8217;t function.  This is not everyone of course but there are those that if they are not forced by a set requirement of conditions they can&#8217;t function?<br />
Doug</p>
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		<title>By: Newbury SEO</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/01/29/lets-get-rid-of-performance-based-marketing-huh/comment-page-1/#comment-1184860</link>
		<dc:creator>Newbury SEO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not often that you see a blogger get accused of rambling!

I think there is room for both design and performance, for me it boils down to customer objectives.

Thanks for the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not often that you see a blogger get accused of rambling!</p>
<p>I think there is room for both design and performance, for me it boils down to customer objectives.</p>
<p>Thanks for the post.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/01/29/lets-get-rid-of-performance-based-marketing-huh/comment-page-1/#comment-1184217</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 05:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Property Management,

Yup, it&#039;s kind of a rant.  There&#039;s some decent stuff there all the same, but I can&#039;t blame you for finding it loosely organized and negative.  I&#039;ll try to either stay off the soap box or to make more tightly focused rants in the future ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Property Management,</p>
<p>Yup, it&#8217;s kind of a rant.  There&#8217;s some decent stuff there all the same, but I can&#8217;t blame you for finding it loosely organized and negative.  I&#8217;ll try to either stay off the soap box or to make more tightly focused rants in the future <img src='http://www.grokdotcom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Property Management Software</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/01/29/lets-get-rid-of-performance-based-marketing-huh/comment-page-1/#comment-1184212</link>
		<dc:creator>Property Management Software</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 04:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to have to agree with the 1st rambling comment.  I lost interest due to the negativity here.  Sorry. +(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to have to agree with the 1st rambling comment.  I lost interest due to the negativity here.  Sorry. +(</p>
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		<title>By: Visual Scandal, Story Appeal, and Banner Ads &#124; FutureNow's GrokDotCom / Marketing Optimization Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/01/29/lets-get-rid-of-performance-based-marketing-huh/comment-page-1/#comment-1171554</link>
		<dc:creator>Visual Scandal, Story Appeal, and Banner Ads &#124; FutureNow's GrokDotCom / Marketing Optimization Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] all you Internet Marketers yearning for a creative renaissance in online advertising, follow Apple&#8217;s lead and employ these techniques to their maximum.  Just try to remember [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] all you Internet Marketers yearning for a creative renaissance in online advertising, follow Apple&#8217;s lead and employ these techniques to their maximum.  Just try to remember [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The IAB’s push for “great creative” over “performance based” advertising.</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/01/29/lets-get-rid-of-performance-based-marketing-huh/comment-page-1/#comment-1159395</link>
		<dc:creator>The IAB’s push for “great creative” over “performance based” advertising.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 02:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The IAB came out with a strange position (Read it) and Jeff Sexton had bit of a harsh, yet realistic take on the IAB’s position (Read it) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Grow, baby, grow. Your traffic and your business. (Small Business E-Commerce Link Digest - 3/13/2009)</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/01/29/lets-get-rid-of-performance-based-marketing-huh/comment-page-1/#comment-1150911</link>
		<dc:creator>Grow, baby, grow. Your traffic and your business. (Small Business E-Commerce Link Digest - 3/13/2009)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on performance - Jeff Sexton gives a great overview of performance-based marketing, why it matters and how you can make the most of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/01/29/lets-get-rid-of-performance-based-marketing-huh/comment-page-1/#comment-1141360</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brand4profit,

I think you rather missed the point of the post.  Granted, it&#039;s something of a rant and contains a few points, but the biggest is that online media is, in general, unsuited to the kind of interruption marketing required for effective branding.  NONE of that had anything to do with creating the brand - it was focused on methods of ADVERTISING the brand.  Doesn&#039;t quite matter how mythic or epic your brand, if no one knows about it, it&#039;ll fail.  

And frankly, I&#039;m having a hard time thinking of a mythic air conditioning brand that I&#039;d give a crap about without actually being in the market for a new air conditioner.  Which is really my point - branding often means influencing people who AREN&#039;T currently in the market for your product, which means getting a message to people who aren&#039;t really interested.  Without intrusive mass media, that becomes a very expensive and difficult proposition, regardless of how &quot;epic&quot; your brand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brand4profit,</p>
<p>I think you rather missed the point of the post.  Granted, it&#8217;s something of a rant and contains a few points, but the biggest is that online media is, in general, unsuited to the kind of interruption marketing required for effective branding.  NONE of that had anything to do with creating the brand &#8211; it was focused on methods of ADVERTISING the brand.  Doesn&#8217;t quite matter how mythic or epic your brand, if no one knows about it, it&#8217;ll fail.  </p>
<p>And frankly, I&#8217;m having a hard time thinking of a mythic air conditioning brand that I&#8217;d give a crap about without actually being in the market for a new air conditioner.  Which is really my point &#8211; branding often means influencing people who AREN&#8217;T currently in the market for your product, which means getting a message to people who aren&#8217;t really interested.  Without intrusive mass media, that becomes a very expensive and difficult proposition, regardless of how &#8220;epic&#8221; your brand.</p>
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		<title>By: brand4profit</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/01/29/lets-get-rid-of-performance-based-marketing-huh/comment-page-1/#comment-1141299</link>
		<dc:creator>brand4profit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Creating brands worth evangelizing about is often misunderstood. The connection between the core values - the soul of the company and the soul of the customer - is why customers evangelize. They have found a temple of core value at which to worship. It’s mythic. It’s epic. The brand becomes icon because it connects to the subconscious yearnings of the customer, imprinting on the brain. The pictured emotional experience becomes a conduit through which the customer can again be touched by those core values.

Those pictures and emotions then become language in the brain of the customer. And it’s the language of evangelism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Creating brands worth evangelizing about is often misunderstood. The connection between the core values &#8211; the soul of the company and the soul of the customer &#8211; is why customers evangelize. They have found a temple of core value at which to worship. It’s mythic. It’s epic. The brand becomes icon because it connects to the subconscious yearnings of the customer, imprinting on the brain. The pictured emotional experience becomes a conduit through which the customer can again be touched by those core values.</p>
<p>Those pictures and emotions then become language in the brain of the customer. And it’s the language of evangelism.</p>
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		<title>By: DianeV</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/01/29/lets-get-rid-of-performance-based-marketing-huh/comment-page-1/#comment-1139186</link>
		<dc:creator>DianeV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 08:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say that we&#039;ve been seeing that attitude from agencies for many years now. They were used to the way it was ... have client spend huge sums; provide no real feedback of any substance as to how the ads were performing.

I seem to recall a television monitoring agency that got upset because they were being asked to back up their claims.

On the Web, whether or not you do intensive analytics, the possibility is always there, and easily enough built in.

I&#039;d have to say that it sounds like one of those times of change, when you have to change with the times. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say that we&#8217;ve been seeing that attitude from agencies for many years now. They were used to the way it was &#8230; have client spend huge sums; provide no real feedback of any substance as to how the ads were performing.</p>
<p>I seem to recall a television monitoring agency that got upset because they were being asked to back up their claims.</p>
<p>On the Web, whether or not you do intensive analytics, the possibility is always there, and easily enough built in.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have to say that it sounds like one of those times of change, when you have to change with the times. <img src='http://www.grokdotcom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sue Burton</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/01/29/lets-get-rid-of-performance-based-marketing-huh/comment-page-1/#comment-1138689</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Burton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 04:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey now -- Why can&#039;t brand building and performance-based marketing co-exist peacefully in the same campaign. This debate sounds just like the old &quot;Tastes Great / Less Filling&quot; debate. It&#039;s all beer folks. Develop some compelling, brand aligned creative, target audiences to develop relevancy, define the desired behaviors and a CPA model which measures and rewards those behaviors and then you have a real campaign. There&#039;s no either/or here - just an opportunity to combine the best of both worlds. See how its done at HydraNetworks.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey now &#8212; Why can&#8217;t brand building and performance-based marketing co-exist peacefully in the same campaign. This debate sounds just like the old &#8220;Tastes Great / Less Filling&#8221; debate. It&#8217;s all beer folks. Develop some compelling, brand aligned creative, target audiences to develop relevancy, define the desired behaviors and a CPA model which measures and rewards those behaviors and then you have a real campaign. There&#8217;s no either/or here &#8211; just an opportunity to combine the best of both worlds. See how its done at HydraNetworks.com</p>
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		<title>By: BJ</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/01/29/lets-get-rid-of-performance-based-marketing-huh/comment-page-1/#comment-1138526</link>
		<dc:creator>BJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sad thing about it all is that companies that can actually afford to &quot;Brand&quot; their product the majority of the time, I haven&#039;t seen an effective way to measure the results over any period of time. Let alone the life of their repetitive ad. 

The advertising team is given an allotted amount to spend on Television ads with no goal in mind, other than to reach millions. Although I do believe the trends are turning in favor of performance marketing, hence the frustration of IAB and the millions their going to lose!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad thing about it all is that companies that can actually afford to &#8220;Brand&#8221; their product the majority of the time, I haven&#8217;t seen an effective way to measure the results over any period of time. Let alone the life of their repetitive ad. </p>
<p>The advertising team is given an allotted amount to spend on Television ads with no goal in mind, other than to reach millions. Although I do believe the trends are turning in favor of performance marketing, hence the frustration of IAB and the millions their going to lose!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Welch</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/01/29/lets-get-rid-of-performance-based-marketing-huh/comment-page-1/#comment-1138475</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 16:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s most offensive is that traditional ad agencies are claiming that performance-based advertising is reducing the perception of online advertising as &quot;premium.&quot;  In fact, this shift is simply revealing the FALSE PREMIUM that traditional advertising agencies and media outlets seek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s most offensive is that traditional ad agencies are claiming that performance-based advertising is reducing the perception of online advertising as &#8220;premium.&#8221;  In fact, this shift is simply revealing the FALSE PREMIUM that traditional advertising agencies and media outlets seek.</p>
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		<title>By: Branding? What is it good for? (from Business Marketing Online)</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/01/29/lets-get-rid-of-performance-based-marketing-huh/comment-page-1/#comment-1138132</link>
		<dc:creator>Branding? What is it good for? (from Business Marketing Online)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] interested in some of the more conceptual aspects of advertising, I&#8217;d recommend reading Let&#8217;s Get Rid of Performance Based Marketing, Huh? on Future Now&#8217;s GrokDotCom/Marketing Optimization Blog. It will give you an insight into the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] interested in some of the more conceptual aspects of advertising, I&#8217;d recommend reading Let&#8217;s Get Rid of Performance Based Marketing, Huh? on Future Now&#8217;s GrokDotCom/Marketing Optimization Blog. It will give you an insight into the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A la IAB no le gusta la publicidad por resultados &#124; WebAnalytics.ES</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/01/29/lets-get-rid-of-performance-based-marketing-huh/comment-page-1/#comment-1137709</link>
		<dc:creator>A la IAB no le gusta la publicidad por resultados &#124; WebAnalytics.ES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 15:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] si creéis que he criticado demasiado a Randall, os invito a leer la rajada de Jeff Sexton en el blog de Future Now: una auténtica lección de publicidad on y off line) Trackback URL     [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chris TT</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/01/29/lets-get-rid-of-performance-based-marketing-huh/comment-page-1/#comment-1137696</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris TT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 14:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post Jeff, I think the IAB is possibly saying what it believes its members want to hear...but then you already indicated that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post Jeff, I think the IAB is possibly saying what it believes its members want to hear&#8230;but then you already indicated that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Baas</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/01/29/lets-get-rid-of-performance-based-marketing-huh/comment-page-1/#comment-1137126</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Baas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that performance-based advertising is taking a huge chunk out of the efforts of large advertising agencies with their branding approach.

It&#039;s only natural that the agencies are going to want to fight the upstart competitor. I find it comical, though, that they choose an argument of &quot;They&#039;re not as clever as we are&quot; to combat a challenger who is kicking their Armani-clad rear ends.

Performance-based marketing is making inroads because it works for advertisers. Does that mean that agencies should just fold up their tents and fade away? No. Just as radio created a new niche for itself when television came along, agencies will eventually find their niche (assuming that they&#039;re as clever as the claim to be).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that performance-based advertising is taking a huge chunk out of the efforts of large advertising agencies with their branding approach.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s only natural that the agencies are going to want to fight the upstart competitor. I find it comical, though, that they choose an argument of &#8220;They&#8217;re not as clever as we are&#8221; to combat a challenger who is kicking their Armani-clad rear ends.</p>
<p>Performance-based marketing is making inroads because it works for advertisers. Does that mean that agencies should just fold up their tents and fade away? No. Just as radio created a new niche for itself when television came along, agencies will eventually find their niche (assuming that they&#8217;re as clever as the claim to be).</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/01/29/lets-get-rid-of-performance-based-marketing-huh/comment-page-1/#comment-1137046</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does that go for performance-based PR too?  I was thinking of using &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.publicityguaranteed.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Publicity Guaranteed&lt;/a&gt; for PR and they only charge based on articles placed.  Seems to be a good model.  I realize there are differences between digital marketing and PR, but I think there is something to be said for performance-based models in some fields.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does that go for performance-based PR too?  I was thinking of using <a href="http://www.publicityguaranteed.com">Publicity Guaranteed</a> for PR and they only charge based on articles placed.  Seems to be a good model.  I realize there are differences between digital marketing and PR, but I think there is something to be said for performance-based models in some fields.</p>
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		<title>By: MattE</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/01/29/lets-get-rid-of-performance-based-marketing-huh/comment-page-1/#comment-1136923</link>
		<dc:creator>MattE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL, Jeff you missed the point of your own headline - where is performance-based marketing in your article - it&#039;s a ramble about branding.

If you want to talk about online branding and value - talk to affiliates - they are the ones who carry the can for an aweful lot of companies. All too often I see branding banners offered on affiliate network sites by companies who think that having an (e.g) DELL logo is going to encourage a click-through. They expect publishers to plaster their banner on their sites, with the publisher hoping someone will click it and buy something.

Instead marketing needs to be offer-based - something to entice a click - even harder in graphic stuff, which is why I am heavily into text content.

But lets get to the crux of your headline - Performance Based. Is a click through a measure of performance? Partly. But again from an affiliate&#039;s perspective it is much deeper than that - the click needs to be wrapped in, as you mention about search ads, a desire by the person to at least consider buying. 

My argument is that performance advertising is measured in *conversions* to sale, sign-up etc.

That&#039;s how I earn my money and that is the only performance that matters. The rest is agancy hyperbole and navel-gazing on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, Jeff you missed the point of your own headline &#8211; where is performance-based marketing in your article &#8211; it&#8217;s a ramble about branding.</p>
<p>If you want to talk about online branding and value &#8211; talk to affiliates &#8211; they are the ones who carry the can for an aweful lot of companies. All too often I see branding banners offered on affiliate network sites by companies who think that having an (e.g) DELL logo is going to encourage a click-through. They expect publishers to plaster their banner on their sites, with the publisher hoping someone will click it and buy something.</p>
<p>Instead marketing needs to be offer-based &#8211; something to entice a click &#8211; even harder in graphic stuff, which is why I am heavily into text content.</p>
<p>But lets get to the crux of your headline &#8211; Performance Based. Is a click through a measure of performance? Partly. But again from an affiliate&#8217;s perspective it is much deeper than that &#8211; the click needs to be wrapped in, as you mention about search ads, a desire by the person to at least consider buying. </p>
<p>My argument is that performance advertising is measured in *conversions* to sale, sign-up etc.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s how I earn my money and that is the only performance that matters. The rest is agancy hyperbole and navel-gazing on the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 04:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article Jeff. A little bit of rambling but the core message is spot on :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Jeff. A little bit of rambling but the core message is spot on <img src='http://www.grokdotcom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Get rid of performance based advertising&#8230;? &#171; The Lost Agency</title>
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		<dc:creator>Get rid of performance based advertising&#8230;? &#171; The Lost Agency</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tags: futurenow, internet marketing, Web Analytics    FutureNow released a new post related to the Internet Advertising Bureau, read the original and this is my response to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Tags: futurenow, internet marketing, Web Analytics    FutureNow released a new post related to the Internet Advertising Bureau, read the original and this is my response to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>im sorry but this sounds like a bunch of rambling on a friday night at the pub, lets go spend $4 million on a 30 second ad for superbowl so we can get a corporate box at the game... im sorry that profit margins are down in large agencies but anyone who is planning on surviving the next few tough years are moving their old media clients online at least a percentage of spend.  when was the last time you picked up a newspaper head line and went to that store gave them the newspaper as proof that the was the sole reason you went there!

web analytics allows you to track most of this and engagement marketing can also tell you how often your customer had to read the headline and how many so called unsuccessful viral videos they had to watch before their purchased something.

Can your offline media measure time wasters vs high value sales, im sorry but no!

Want a unsuccessful campaign look at blendtec and its &quot;will it blend campaign&quot; if thats not an example of succesful viral campaigns i will go out and sell newspapers on the street corner to help your old media clients get some exposure! 

Go on try it, google &quot;will it blend&quot; and see the close to 45 million pages google has dedicated to that term, its not a generic term so its purely original and purely marketing!

the dotcom bust showed that companies who didnt work with performance based marketing lost their investors money and went broke!

if im not measuring my clients campaigns in some way im not doing my job, performance based is the only way that you can ensure your agency is doing something!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im sorry but this sounds like a bunch of rambling on a friday night at the pub, lets go spend $4 million on a 30 second ad for superbowl so we can get a corporate box at the game&#8230; im sorry that profit margins are down in large agencies but anyone who is planning on surviving the next few tough years are moving their old media clients online at least a percentage of spend.  when was the last time you picked up a newspaper head line and went to that store gave them the newspaper as proof that the was the sole reason you went there!</p>
<p>web analytics allows you to track most of this and engagement marketing can also tell you how often your customer had to read the headline and how many so called unsuccessful viral videos they had to watch before their purchased something.</p>
<p>Can your offline media measure time wasters vs high value sales, im sorry but no!</p>
<p>Want a unsuccessful campaign look at blendtec and its &#8220;will it blend campaign&#8221; if thats not an example of succesful viral campaigns i will go out and sell newspapers on the street corner to help your old media clients get some exposure! </p>
<p>Go on try it, google &#8220;will it blend&#8221; and see the close to 45 million pages google has dedicated to that term, its not a generic term so its purely original and purely marketing!</p>
<p>the dotcom bust showed that companies who didnt work with performance based marketing lost their investors money and went broke!</p>
<p>if im not measuring my clients campaigns in some way im not doing my job, performance based is the only way that you can ensure your agency is doing something!</p>
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