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	<title>Comments on: Can Bad Assumptions Lead to &#8220;Gorilla Marketing&#8221;?</title>
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		<title>By: Law Firm Websites</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/05/18/can-bad-assumptions-lead-to-gorilla-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-1204654</link>
		<dc:creator>Law Firm Websites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gorilla marketing, I love it :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gorilla marketing, I love it <img src='http://www.grokdotcom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/05/18/can-bad-assumptions-lead-to-gorilla-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-1202159</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>interesting Assumption
i have never had this idea
And i like the comparison between the offline front store owner and the online shop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>interesting Assumption<br />
i have never had this idea<br />
And i like the comparison between the offline front store owner and the online shop.</p>
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		<title>By: shpallje</title>
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		<dc:creator>shpallje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 00:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a really bad approach from the etailers. I still get emails in my junk mail from some stores. Do they really think I will go back and buy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a really bad approach from the etailers. I still get emails in my junk mail from some stores. Do they really think I will go back and buy?</p>
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		<title>By: Banner stands</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/05/18/can-bad-assumptions-lead-to-gorilla-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-1186272</link>
		<dc:creator>Banner stands</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really interesting topic. How would it be policed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really interesting topic. How would it be policed?</p>
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		<title>By: Marte Cliff</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/05/18/can-bad-assumptions-lead-to-gorilla-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-1168055</link>
		<dc:creator>Marte Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 18:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the good post... you make some very valid points.

One tactic that really turns me completely away from a marketer is the &quot;Hey, wait a minute. What if we let you buy this right now for 50% off?&quot;
 
That makes me feel like their original price was a rip-off and that therefore THEY are rip-off marketers.

I&#039;ve even had some sites hit me with TWO markdowns when I try to leave.

Often, the only reason I went to the &quot;buy&quot; button was to find out the price - which should have been on the sales page. 

Now, if there&#039;s no price on the sales page, I leave without satisfying my curiosity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the good post&#8230; you make some very valid points.</p>
<p>One tactic that really turns me completely away from a marketer is the &#8220;Hey, wait a minute. What if we let you buy this right now for 50% off?&#8221;</p>
<p>That makes me feel like their original price was a rip-off and that therefore THEY are rip-off marketers.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve even had some sites hit me with TWO markdowns when I try to leave.</p>
<p>Often, the only reason I went to the &#8220;buy&#8221; button was to find out the price &#8211; which should have been on the sales page. </p>
<p>Now, if there&#8217;s no price on the sales page, I leave without satisfying my curiosity.</p>
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		<title>By: Kerwin</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/05/18/can-bad-assumptions-lead-to-gorilla-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-1167183</link>
		<dc:creator>Kerwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 23:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>quoting from Cheryl Beckham:

&quot;I’ve never been approached about not purchasing a product at a retail store, but this type of Gorilla Marketing happens all the time at the local flea market, what a turn off!&quot;

Then the WorldWideWeb is like a giant flea market. ;) even mega companies resort to this kind of tactic..

And it annoys me a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>quoting from Cheryl Beckham:</p>
<p>&#8220;I’ve never been approached about not purchasing a product at a retail store, but this type of Gorilla Marketing happens all the time at the local flea market, what a turn off!&#8221;</p>
<p>Then the WorldWideWeb is like a giant flea market. <img src='http://www.grokdotcom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  even mega companies resort to this kind of tactic..</p>
<p>And it annoys me a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Pecunia</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/05/18/can-bad-assumptions-lead-to-gorilla-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-1167136</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Pecunia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 16:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for covering this topic.  I mentioned it in my own blog a few weeks ago in reference to poor usability practices (http://blog.juntopia.com/2009/04/amazing-disappearing-navigation-trick.html).

I like the way you really got your hands dirty analyzing the poor reasoning that goes into a marketer&#039;s decision to &quot;block the exit&quot; so to speak.  To me it seems like common sense, and it astounds me that marketers think their buyers are so dumb/gullible/intimidated by these tactics.

I also like the way you humanized this by applying it to a brick and mortar store.  Funny but poignant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for covering this topic.  I mentioned it in my own blog a few weeks ago in reference to poor usability practices (<a href="http://blog.juntopia.com/2009/04/amazing-disappearing-navigation-trick.html)">http://blog.juntopia.com/2009/04/amazing-disappearing-navigation-trick.html)</a>.</p>
<p>I like the way you really got your hands dirty analyzing the poor reasoning that goes into a marketer&#8217;s decision to &#8220;block the exit&#8221; so to speak.  To me it seems like common sense, and it astounds me that marketers think their buyers are so dumb/gullible/intimidated by these tactics.</p>
<p>I also like the way you humanized this by applying it to a brick and mortar store.  Funny but poignant.</p>
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		<title>By: What Would Online Retailing Look Like in the Offline World &#124; FutureNow's GrokDotCom / Marketing Optimization Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/05/18/can-bad-assumptions-lead-to-gorilla-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-1167122</link>
		<dc:creator>What Would Online Retailing Look Like in the Offline World &#124; FutureNow's GrokDotCom / Marketing Optimization Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 14:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my last post, I made use of a brick and mortar analogy to the current online behavior of some e-commerce [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tyrkiet Eksperten</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/05/18/can-bad-assumptions-lead-to-gorilla-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-1166965</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyrkiet Eksperten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 13:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the comparison between the offline front store owner and the online shop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the comparison between the offline front store owner and the online shop.</p>
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		<title>By: Eden</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/05/18/can-bad-assumptions-lead-to-gorilla-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-1166882</link>
		<dc:creator>Eden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 01:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing about special offers (e.g. % off items deleted from the cart, etc.) is that you need to be careful not to train the consumer to expect those offers.  Frequent shoppers (and friends) will quickly realize that the way to save money is to add and then delete things from the cart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing about special offers (e.g. % off items deleted from the cart, etc.) is that you need to be careful not to train the consumer to expect those offers.  Frequent shoppers (and friends) will quickly realize that the way to save money is to add and then delete things from the cart.</p>
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		<title>By: Audio Bible</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/05/18/can-bad-assumptions-lead-to-gorilla-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-1166833</link>
		<dc:creator>Audio Bible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 20:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, very funny image of gorilla, thanks for the laugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, very funny image of gorilla, thanks for the laugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/05/18/can-bad-assumptions-lead-to-gorilla-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-1166830</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 19:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting assumptions.  I can&#039;t understand why people would make them, though...  But I&#039;m glad to see a post that&#039;s to help correct, not simply bash these assumptive tactics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting assumptions.  I can&#8217;t understand why people would make them, though&#8230;  But I&#8217;m glad to see a post that&#8217;s to help correct, not simply bash these assumptive tactics.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted S</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/05/18/can-bad-assumptions-lead-to-gorilla-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-1166670</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 00:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a believer in the cart abandonment email when done right. Right means the right permission, a soft message, an offer and enough time lapse (not 30 minutes). Right also means not pushing a sale but rather reminding value. Just like Shock Marketer said.

Of course these emails can and should go further. Why not try asking consumers why they left with a simple survey. Those learning&#039;s could easily be translated to identify issues (like an account barrier, high shipping, etc...) and to help you tailor an offer for future, opt-in abandons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a believer in the cart abandonment email when done right. Right means the right permission, a soft message, an offer and enough time lapse (not 30 minutes). Right also means not pushing a sale but rather reminding value. Just like Shock Marketer said.</p>
<p>Of course these emails can and should go further. Why not try asking consumers why they left with a simple survey. Those learning&#8217;s could easily be translated to identify issues (like an account barrier, high shipping, etc&#8230;) and to help you tailor an offer for future, opt-in abandons.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/05/18/can-bad-assumptions-lead-to-gorilla-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-1166668</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 23:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

You can start by measuring how many people are NOT converted by your remarketing techniques.  

If you have their IP addresses, you can come up with a measure of how many these unconverted visitors don&#039;t come back to the site (over a 2-3 month timeline).

You can take that list of e-mail addresses and check them against your list of repeat customers / accounts and see how many of your formerly repeat customers drop out.

You can search your company / website name on twitter, FB, blogs, etc.  

Will you arrive at super-accurate figures?  No.  But you&#039;ll end up with some rough percentages that you can work with.  If only 5% of the remarketed people convert, and of the remaining 95% about half never come back to the site, and of that 42.5% about a fourth are (or were) repeat customers.  You can at least crunch some rough numbers on whether the added sales are worth the erosion to your loyal customer base.

- Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>You can start by measuring how many people are NOT converted by your remarketing techniques.  </p>
<p>If you have their IP addresses, you can come up with a measure of how many these unconverted visitors don&#8217;t come back to the site (over a 2-3 month timeline).</p>
<p>You can take that list of e-mail addresses and check them against your list of repeat customers / accounts and see how many of your formerly repeat customers drop out.</p>
<p>You can search your company / website name on twitter, FB, blogs, etc.  </p>
<p>Will you arrive at super-accurate figures?  No.  But you&#8217;ll end up with some rough percentages that you can work with.  If only 5% of the remarketed people convert, and of the remaining 95% about half never come back to the site, and of that 42.5% about a fourth are (or were) repeat customers.  You can at least crunch some rough numbers on whether the added sales are worth the erosion to your loyal customer base.</p>
<p>- Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/05/18/can-bad-assumptions-lead-to-gorilla-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-1166666</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 23:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;find out a way to measure the offense or annoyance you’re causing amongst the visitors who you don’t convert through your remarketing efforts&quot;
Any hints on how to do this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;find out a way to measure the offense or annoyance you’re causing amongst the visitors who you don’t convert through your remarketing efforts&#8221;<br />
Any hints on how to do this?</p>
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		<title>By: sinusitis symptoms</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/05/18/can-bad-assumptions-lead-to-gorilla-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-1166656</link>
		<dc:creator>sinusitis symptoms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 22:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was contacted by one of these service recently.  It was tastefully written and offered a 1st time customer discount of 10%, not enough to entice me to buy, but interesting anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was contacted by one of these service recently.  It was tastefully written and offered a 1st time customer discount of 10%, not enough to entice me to buy, but interesting anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl Beckham</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/05/18/can-bad-assumptions-lead-to-gorilla-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-1166649</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl Beckham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 21:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never been approached about not purchasing a product at a retail store, but this type of Gorilla Marketing happens all the time at the local flea market, what a turn off!
Respectfully,
Cheryl Beckham</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never been approached about not purchasing a product at a retail store, but this type of Gorilla Marketing happens all the time at the local flea market, what a turn off!<br />
Respectfully,<br />
Cheryl Beckham</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 20:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shock Marketer,

Useful information/offers that is provided in a non-confrontational and non-invasive format - similar to your message about a 25% off sale - probably would work online as well.  

Translating that to an online experience, imagine a pop-up that occurs either at the moment that the item is deleted from your cart or the moment you proceed to check out, which advises the visitor of the sale.  

That&#039;s quite a bit different than preventing me from leaving the site or contacting me through e-mail when I have not given the company permission to contact me. 

Oh, and 25% sales are worth hearing about while most 5-15% sales really aren&#039;t (or at least not to most shoppers).  Give &#039;em a real savings / discount / special offer, as opposed to a transparent excuse to pester them into buying.

As I said in the article, I think remarketing can be done well - I&#039;ve just seen quite a bit of it done poorly.

- Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shock Marketer,</p>
<p>Useful information/offers that is provided in a non-confrontational and non-invasive format &#8211; similar to your message about a 25% off sale &#8211; probably would work online as well.  </p>
<p>Translating that to an online experience, imagine a pop-up that occurs either at the moment that the item is deleted from your cart or the moment you proceed to check out, which advises the visitor of the sale.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s quite a bit different than preventing me from leaving the site or contacting me through e-mail when I have not given the company permission to contact me. </p>
<p>Oh, and 25% sales are worth hearing about while most 5-15% sales really aren&#8217;t (or at least not to most shoppers).  Give &#8216;em a real savings / discount / special offer, as opposed to a transparent excuse to pester them into buying.</p>
<p>As I said in the article, I think remarketing can be done well &#8211; I&#8217;ve just seen quite a bit of it done poorly.</p>
<p>- Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Shock Marketer</title>
		<link>http://www.grokdotcom.com/2009/05/18/can-bad-assumptions-lead-to-gorilla-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-1166626</link>
		<dc:creator>Shock Marketer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 19:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hey, I saw you put that bottle of wine in your cart that you ended up putting back. We&#039;re having a 25% off sale tomorrow on all wines if you&#039;re still interested.&quot;

I&#039;d be sold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hey, I saw you put that bottle of wine in your cart that you ended up putting back. We&#8217;re having a 25% off sale tomorrow on all wines if you&#8217;re still interested.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be sold.</p>
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